327 thoughts on “Ukraine, Russia, “The West” And What Comes Next

  1. John. Please don’t respond. That is what he wants. I have no intention of doing so to either of his comments.

  2. Breaking News. The Red Cross aid convoy which Kiev has been holding up on the Ukraine border is about to proceed without permission. What’s the betting that it gets attacked by government forces and planes? Of course it will be blamed on those who are desperately in need of this aid.

  3. ZBC are saying:

    22 August 2014 Last updated at 14:25
    Ukraine crisis: Russia aid convoy ‘invades Ukraine’

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!

  4. Our media coverage (or non-coverage) says it all. They do not want aid to get through because, as the current Ukrainian government forced its way to power in a coup, it now seeks to displace the population of the Donbass and Lugansk regions to steal their land. Must have learnt this from Israel!

  5. Mr Goss

    How can the Ukraine govt be accused of stealing land in eastern Ukraine when eastern Ukraine is part of Ukraine?

    How can it steal its own land?

    Unless, of course, you consider that eastern Ukraine is already no longer part of Ukraine and belongs to left-fascist Russia?

  6. That’s right Habbabkuk. The people who live in Eastern Ukraine do not want to be part of the western installed illegal puppet government and said so in a referendum. Your hero, the mass murderer Petro Poroshenko, wants to hold new elections where many standing MPs (opposition MPs of course) will not be allowed to stand. That’s fascism for you. And you’re welcome to it Habbabkuk. It fits in with your belief in torture, or at least lack of a denial that you believe in torture.

  7. Mr Goss

    So we’re talking about a part of the country that wishes to secede under the influence and pressure of left-fascist Russia and its mafiosi oligarch and bully-boy agents, are we.

    BTW, I assume you’re hoping that the Scottish independence referendum will be a slightly higher standard than the one you refer to? I’m optimistic, myself – for a start , no British soldiers out of uniform, creating mayhem…

  8. Habbabkuk, this lady speaks for the whole of Eastern Ukraine. There was more than 90% of the population of Eastern Ukraine voted for independence. She doesn’t have a gun at her head when she tells how much residents in the region that Poroshenko’s fascists are trying to displace hate the Kiev leader who has been murdering them. Poroshenko scraped to power in a vote in which the majority never participated.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zceK5JJwSlo

  9. Mr Goss

    “Habbabkuk, this lady speaks for the whole of Eastern Ukraine. ”
    ____________________

    Well, you would say that, wouldn’t you. How do you know?

    “I, Habbabkuk, speak for 90% of the ordinary, non-commenting readers of Craig Murray’s blog. Discuss.”

  10. He is wicked.

    Ukraine near ‘point of no return’
    Ukrainian military vehicles in Starobesheve, 30 Aug image
    Ukrainian servicemen in Mariupol, 30 August 2014 image

    Ukraine’s president says his country is “close to a point of no return – full scale-war”, as the EU discusses more sanctions against Russia.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28997946

  11. “I, Habbabkuk, speak for 90% of the ordinary, non-commenting readers of Craig Murray’s blog. Discuss.”

    Habbabkuk, there’s come kind of saying about self-praise and I would not recommend it.

  12. Mr Goss

    “Habbabkuk, there’s come kind of saying about self-praise and I would not recommend it.”
    _____________________

    Is there also some kind of saying about excessive praise directed at someone else?

    As, for instance, in your ““Habbabkuk, this lady speaks for the whole of Eastern Ukraine” ?

  13. Mr Goss

    “Poroshenko and his thugs are no different from Netanyahu and his thugs, both causing genocides against their neighbours.”
    _______________________

    President Poroshenko and PL Netanyahu are indeed no different from one another, in that neither is causing a “genocide” against their neighbour.

    Another point of similarity is that both occupy their positions as a result of free and fair, democratic elections (unlike the Bossmen of some of their “neighbours”).

    Hope that helps.

  14. No more Chernobyls please.

    Another part of the puzzle: the six-reactor Zaporizhia Nuclear Power Plant in eastern Ukraine

    Everyman on September 1, 2014, 4:23 pm (on Medialens)
    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1409585032.html

    Apologies if somebody has already posted about this. Please take a look at the map included with the linked article. It seems quite close to Mariupol and Donetsk, the former apparently ready to fall, the latter already fall to the anti Kiev forces.

    It’s currently officially protected by the neo Nazi wing of the Ukrainian govt.

    We can all imagine a false flag event taking place here, blamed on Russia, or less dramatic, we can imagine how this nuclear plant could loom large in the current ongoing negotiations and battles.

    http://rt.com/news/184004-greenpeace-zaporizhia-npp-danger/

  15. More from Bill Blum’s Anti Empire report.

    “…. I’m sure that a poll taken in the United States on this issue would reveal near universal ignorance of the numerous neo-Nazi actions, including publicly calling for death to “Russians, Communists and Jews”. But in the past week the dirty little secret has somehow poked its head out from behind the curtain a bit.

    …..Ever since that fateful day of September 11, 2001, the primary public relations goal of the United States has been to discredit the idea that somehow America had it coming because of its numerous political and military acts of aggression. Here’s everyone’s favorite hero, George W. Bush, speaking a month after 9-11:

    “How do I respond when I see that in some Islamic countries there is vitriolic hatred for America? I’ll tell you how I respond: I’m amazed. I’m amazed that there’s such misunderstanding of what our country is about that people would hate us. I am – like most Americans, I just can’t believe it because I know how good we are.”

    Thank you, George. Now take your pills….

    Full Piece @

    http://williamblum.org/aer/read/132

  16. So now we know what abilities exist to smear others with your own crime. Thanks for that link Brian, as we suspected all the time, the cockpit was peppered with regular impact holes of the same size and these satellite pictures proof that it was a fighter jet.

    The rebels did not have fighter jets, so the obvious conclusion is that Kiev, under the Government of Yatseniuk, has re-directed and then shot down the airliner, killing over 200 people on their way to Malaysia.

    Now what steps will be taken next? well, looking at the cover up afterwards, not very much, indeed we are wooing these fascists killers to join the EU. If this does not stop the talk of succession nothing will.

  17. Nevermind

    Cheers. but many people are saying its fake fotos…sorry to get you caught up in that… why the msm suddenly on Russia’s side on this…
    There is an abundance of evidence that it was Kiev that downed Mh17.. = Sanctions on Russia

  18. I don’t know anymore, Brian, but I can’t see this picture
    http://www.anderweltonline.com/fileadmin/user_upload/PDF/Cockpit-MH017.pdf

    and read this from a pilot who knows what to look for and what it looks like.

    w.anderweltonline.com/wissenschaft-und-technik/luftfahrt-2014/shocking-analysis-of-the-shooting-down-of-malaysian-mh17/

    I think on the balance of the treatment dished out to the Autonomous eastern region of Donetzk, I shall keep an open mind but I sway towards the shooting down by jet story. This aircraft was not hit mid rift by a missile.

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