This topic should probably have been added some time ago.
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A Country Divided in Two?
2010 Ukraine Presidential Election Results
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327 thoughts on “Ukraine, Russia, “The West” And What Comes Next”
Look at them. They think they are the Knights of the Round Table.
G7 leaders warn Russia of fresh sanctions over Ukraine
‘Leaders of the G7 industrial nations meeting in Brussels say they are prepared to impose further sanctions on Russia over its actions in Ukraine.
A joint statement condemned Moscow for its “continuing violation” of Ukraine’s sovereignty.
The G7 summit is the first since Russia was expelled from the group following its annexation of Crimea in March.
On Thursday, leaders are discussing the global economic outlook, climate change and development issues.
Although Russian President Vladimir Putin is not at the Brussels summit, he will hold face-to-face talks with some G7 leaders – not including US President Barack Obama – in Paris afterwards.
However, both Mr Putin and Mr Obama will attend a ceremony commemorating the 70th anniversary of the D-Day landings in France on Friday.’
The body language should be interesting tomorrow!
The stark reality of what has not been reported on any mainstream media channel is captured in this blog by Professor de Noli, a human rights’ activist living in Sweden, who was himself imprisoned under Pinochet’s dictatorship in Chile. WARNING: There are images in this blog which are not for the squeamish. The BBC, as ever, is disgusting. What do we pay our licence fees for?
The lady died later in hospital I have been informed. Her name was Inna. I am sorry to have to post something so shocking but it is the reality of civilian casualties in modern warfare.
I don’t know how she remained conscious, John. She was ‘stove-in’ and like most civilians, in the wrong place at the wrong time. This reminds me of Sarajevo and sniping bastards, but much worse from hi-tech ordnance in this instance. War on civilians is a relatively new phenomenon.
Squonk, hello, are you on-line? I wondered if you had any more news from the enigmatic world of Emergency Action Messages.
Bildt is a nasty looking individual. All that hate within him shows.
Mary, Bildt is also a Bilderberger, part of the new world order aspirants.
Aspirant (аспирант) in Russian means a post-graduate. But is Bildt’s case I meant somebody with aspirations for global domination.
I got busy writing my blog and missed “But is Bildt’s case . . .” when I should have written “But in Bildt’s case . . .” Ah, well, here’s my blog piece on Scottish independence and why I am for it.
USAF HFGCS remained fairly busy all of yesterday.
John I shall always think of him as a Bildterberger!
US deploys stealth B-2 bombers in Europe
Nice find, AA. I cross-posted it on the newest thread.
correction; there is a newer thread.
Anyone wanting to listen in and do their own plane-spotting
Tune to 11175 or 8992, click “USB” and listen. Most of the time you’ll hear static so click the “squelch” button. Mostly you’ll hear broadcasts from “Mainsail” but you can also (especially at night) hear flights.
Ben – continued from Craig’s
NATO official twitter accounts were tweeting the exercises heavily though. Anyone listening in would realise the power of the military might being demonstrated that night. They were broadcasting all the action on primary well-publicised frequencies they knew were the ones most listened to – you couldn’t miss it!
The Russians have got back in on the act recently and their command and control “Doomsday” planes are often in the air – complete with civilian transponders so you can track them in real-time on flightradar24.com as well.
As far back as the 1950s/1960 the USAF has been transmitting “Skyking” messages.
Several times a day at the moment you’ll still hear “Skyking, Skyking do not answer”
I see you picked up on my Doomsday Machine from Strangelove. Craig really has his head where the sun don’t shine on Russia. Tickling the tail of the Dragon sometimes means unintended consequences when you lack perspective and are stuck in some ideology like plaque in an artery.
AA; I have a small NOAA short-wave radio but I haven’t even opened. I am thinking of installing an antenna for the relays (is that what you call them?) in my area. Surrounded by mountains so line of sight is poor. Cost effective (cheap) recommendations?
Not aware of specs of NOAA shortwave radio. For general short-wave listening with the ability to receive single-side-band (hams + military) this seems to be the cheapest generally recommended radio – the Chinese DEGEN DE1103 (widely available on ebay). Especially at night on shortwave you should be able to pickup worldwide signals at your location as they bounce back down.
Hotting up. Will the world ever have a peaceful Summer where we are not being told about war and war mongering?
Video:RAF Jets Intercept Russian Bomber
Two Russian bombers which flew close to UK airspace have been chased away by an RAF Typhoon jet fighter.
No link but it is on this page.
Colonel Cassad: Slavyansk under fire (in Russian)
In Slavyansk, in the day goes on the quite senseless bombardment of the city centre with large caliber artillery. Principally civilian targets are hit, suggesting that civilian victims are desirable, otherwise there is no military reason to fire on areas with high-rise buildings, where there are no militia positions. DND Militia suffer only episodic losses which produce little influence on the defence system of the city, so the brunt of such terrorist attacks just goes on civilians. Attempts to intimidate the local population, by destruction, is in the spirit of the practice of the Nazis of WW II times, so that their modern Ukrainian imitators do not differ from them, except that the junta’s opportunities for the destruction of the Ukrainian people are just slightly less. In general, what is happening is a war crime that is broadcast live, which shows the connivance of the so-called “world community”.
The only thing that can put a stop to all this is militias switching to an attack (for which they obviously do not have enough forces) or the introduction of no-fly zones; what is lacking is the political will. So the militia in Slavyansk still have to sit in the defense and residents to hide in bomb shelters, waiting for changes in the strategic situation.
On this subject Strelkov has already quite clearly expressed himself:
Reinforcements in Slavyansk there are NOT. And, apparently, they are not planned. The enemy’s tanks sweep through the roads. After a hard shelling of the city centre, around – the broken glass and debris from trees. There are a number of fires. On the one hand, all right – we should create mobile reserves and protect the rest of the territory of Novorossia. On the other, if Slavyansk is not helped, all those mountains of shells that are now falling on us, will fall on other cities of Donetsk and Lugansk region. And it’s not the case that the “rear guard”, entrenched in Donetsk will stop the enemy like our troops do. So far, examples are directly of the opposite.
In any case, at resisting the regular army some 100 “special forces” or even 1000 (whether they are three times Alfa-Rambos”) will fail. Grief counselors in the Kremlin led the situation to the moment when an unavoidable dilemma arose: either Novorossia will be fully surrendered, or one must FIGHT for it in full force. There is no longer a third option; all other options were successfully “chewed over by spineless creatures” over the past month and a half.
Of course, to us, the defenders of Slavyansk, the second option seems to be the only one possible – on it depend the lives of our soldiers and their families and relatives. But Moscow has a different opinion. Judging by the “half-steps”, “the supply of spineless chewing creatures is far from being exhausted”.
Craig must be disinterested. He’s all EU and Scots Indy.
“Slavyansk militiamen reported on Friday that fierce fighting had resumed in the village of Semyonovka. “At the moment, intense artillery strikes are being carried out against roadblocks near Semyonovka. The Vostochny neighborhood has come under fire as well. The Ukrainian army is not currently using combat aircraft, but fierce fighting continues,” a local militia headquarters spokesman told Interfax.
Nearly all civilians have already fled the fighting in Semyonovka, where almost all houses have been damaged by artillery strikes, he said. It is not yet known whether any militiamen have been injured in the events.”
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_06/Ukrainian-forces-using-tanks-to-attack-Slavyansk-4695/
It’s not just Craig, Ben, its all the western media too. Everybody seems to have got so sucked into mundane affairs the important things are being ignored. Poroshenko has shown his true colours. Putin said before his inauguration that Poroshenko had no blood on his hands yet. All that changed on Saturday. Yesterday in Slavyansk according to reports, a four year old girl was killed with others in a mortar strike. Hopefully Poroshenko will not last long. And even if he does there are now so many Ukrainian deaths in Eastern Ukraine that they will never give their hearts to this heartless regime.
I have to admit that Craig has surprised me over Ukraine. He was so opposed to the Andijan massacre in Uzbekistan but the ongoing massacre in Eastern Ukraine is the same thing, government military blasting away at their own people.
I was pleased to read that the Czech Republic and Slovakia have both decided not to allow NATO bases on their land. I hope Scotland does the same.
Craig is clearly a Statist, John. I’m beginning to think his whistleblower bona fides are an accident related to his sexual preoccupations. He has capitalized on it efficiently without genuine follow-up
Aint the last decade of wars by western Evil just been Hard to take… and they want ever more death n destruction…. makes me sick…
He depicted those holding control in dozens of eastern cities and towns as “bandits,” “criminals,” “terrorists” and “Russian mercenaries,” foreshadowing a renewed offensive by the Ukrainian military and allied right-wing militias.
Even as Poroshenko spoke, there was an assassination attempt on Denis Pushilin, a pro-Russian leader in Donetsk, resulting in the shooting death of an assistant, Maksym Petruhin. Photographs on Ukrainian news sites showed Petruhin, wearing a business suit, lying face down on a street alongside a parked car with at least seven bullet holes in the rear door panel.
“For peace to become lasting, we must get used to living in constant combat readiness,” the tycoon known as Ukraine’s “chocolate king” declared. “We have to keep the gunpowder dry. The army and its re-equipment by means of national military-industrial complex is our top priority… Our army must become a true elite of the Ukrainian community.”
Insisting that “great sacrifices” would have to be made by the Ukrainian population, Poroshenko stated: “Those who grudge money for the armed forces feed the foreign army… Our most reliable allies and the best guarantors of peace are our army, fleet, the National Guard and professional special forces.”
At a meeting with Poroshenko, Biden reiterated American support for his regime. “America’s with you,” Biden said. “That is not hyperbole.”
In conjunction with Biden’s visit, the White House announced $48 million in new aid to Ukraine, as well as $8 million for Moldova and $5 million for Georgia, both of which are also expected to sign agreements with the EU this month.
According to the White House statement, the aid would help the Ukrainian government “conduct key reforms, build law enforcement capacity, and strengthen national unity.” It specifically committed the US to supporting Ukraine’s “sovereignty and territorial integrity” and “economic development,” including “the reforms needed to make its IMF and World Bank programs.”
Poroshenko promised to move swiftly to an economic agreement with the EU from which Ukraine’s former government backed away last November, fearing the social unrest that would be triggered by the austerity dictates of the EU and the International Monetary Fund. “My pen is in my hands,” he said, pointing out that the EU association agreement was but the first step “towards fully-fledged membership of Ukraine in the European Union.”
The unelected interim government installed in February has already begun to implement the austerity measures demanded by the EU and IMF, including scrapping domestic energy subsidies and allowing the currency, the hryvnia, to depreciate about 30 percent against the US dollar. Average gas prices for Ukrainian households began rising by more than 50 percent in May, and heating prices are expected to climb by about 40 percent, starting in July.
Far harsher measures are still to come, including a freeze on public-sector wages, mass redundancies of government workers, the cancellation of scheduled pension increases and a range of social spending cuts.
John: Not to get too far out on the fringe, but I think the need for heroes has reached it’s peak. As I get closer looks, either by historical reads or personal contact, feet of clay has been bogging us down with false hope. It’s only by individual transformation that we can proceed to a better world. I have seen many tin-gods in my day. Some of them were recognized early, others shook my foundation after their fall from the pedestal. I think my only heroes are people I know personally, who have surmounted an obstacle and have grown taller in stature, by my measure. As you may have seen here I have also grown skeptical of Glenn and the Omidyar project.
Brian, I’ve never known Craig to express opinion that he dose not hold, and he has stuck his neck out against state misdoings which have not done him a bit of good. His campaigns and exclusives against the state have shown total resolve. I am thinking about the Atlantic Bridge, Gould, Fox, Werritty affair as well as his ongoing campaign against the Karimovs.
I have no information but speculate with his experience in the diplomatic service there may be an opportunity for him with the new Scottish government should independence be voted for.
What is happening in Ukraine, without a squeak from our media, is deplorable. How anyone could side with Poroshenko and the thugs he spearheads is beyond me. A village was razed to the ground yesterday.
Ukraine is not going to pay its debt to Russia for gas it has used but I cannot see how how the gas can be cut off without cutting off Europe. So, unless I misunderstand, this may not be the negotiating lever I hoped it might be, but my wish is I’m wrong on this because there is no water in many areas of Eastern Ukraine, no means of withdrawing cash, no food.
One thing I have noticed is that whenever the Ukraine debate is opened up on Craig’s blog most of the regular trolls go AWOL. It suggests to me that they are probably paid agents. That being so you would expect they could come up with more enlightened and informed trolls.
Thanks Brian for the link.
The reason the trolls go away when Ukraine crops up is that if the debate is opened up enlightened people who use Craig’s blog as a source of news, and there are many of these, would see what is really going on, but with no debate they can’t. I am surprised that Craig himself seems to have joined them!!!
it is most likely… you can not get closer to Afghanistan crimes than me… my son was over there… front line.. blood on the bayonet …. Happy chappies with bbc presenter .. it’ a hard one for me DOT DOT
Bless Brian, you two must have some indept discussions at times.
If I would have served today, guarding the Termez border crossing as part of a German contingent, and watching the lorry loads of precursor chems passing the border into Afghanistan, waved on by NATO troops, if I would have to serve and biwak next to one of Dostums heroin factories, I’d do my nut in, I would have been sent home in disgrace.
I’m sure his recollections differe widely from that of the Biased Blurb club.
And five NATO troops killed there yesterday. Nationalities not stated. Barely a mention in the corporate media. It has all been The Trojan Horse demonization of Muslims, D Day what SAMCAM was wearing and now the Junk theJuncker gambit.
There has also been an assassination attempt on one of the Karzai replacement hopefuls, Abdullah Abdullah I think, from memory, but I might be wrong,
Brian; Many a restless night for you and yours. He has returned home for good, as has mine? My eldest, since 9/11 had wanted to be a Marine. Even though we didn’t like it, we had no choice but to go along with it. His first deployment was Al Asad, but his duties kept him in the compound. Next he went shipboard and cruised the Med for 9 months. The only hazard he faced directly was the enlisted personnel Mess hall. His discharge was in late 2012. My hope is that your son’s experience was not lastingly traumatic. We feel very fortunate.
So the propaganda for war against people with brown skins got to your son Ben, much as it did to very many thousands of young kids here. Shame on the politicians and their spin merchants. Bernays still lives.
I am glad that both your son and Brian’s returned home, changed very possibly but unharmed. Rose Gentle’s did not.
Iraq Chilcot Inquiry: Blair-Bush document deal ‘a disappointment’
‘I’m sickened’: Dead soldier’s mother slams Iraq Inquiry ‘whitewash’
THE mother of a teenage soldier killed in Iraq says she is “sickened” by the decision to publish only partial extracts of talks between Tony Blair and George Bush in the run-up to the Iraq war.
30 May 2014
Su-34.(RIA Novosti / Vladimir Astapkovich)
Ukraine President Once Agent for U.S. State Department
Is he still working for his former masters in Washington, DC?
Two diplomatic messages from the WikiLeaks Public Library on U.S. Diplomacy indicate that newly elected President of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko was an agent for United States State Department. A confidential message from the U.S. Embassy in Kiev on April 29, 2006 mentions the newly elected Ukraine president twice.
” During an April 28 meeting with Ambassador, Our Ukraine (OU) insider Petro Poroshenko emphatically denied he was using his influence with the Prosecutor General to put pressure on Tymoshenko lieutenant Oleksandr.”
” During an April 28 meeting with Ambassador, Our Ukraine (OU) insider Petro Poroshenko denied that he was behind Prosecutor General Oleksandr Medvedko’s recent decision to issue an arrest warrant for Tymoshenko lieutenant Oleksandr Turchynov. ” [to] question him about the alleged destruction of SBU [Ukraine intel] files on organized crime figure Seymon Mogilievich.” [Russian Mafia Boss of Bosses] WikiLeaks Public Library of U.S. Diplomacy
I think the author is mistaken – at least in the specific meaning of the text. He is referred to as “Our Ukraine” insider. Not “Our Ukraine Insider”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Ukraine_(political_party).
Certainly he was known to the Americans and vice versa but all they were saying in the memo is that he is someone on the inside of Our Ukraine party. At least that’s how I read it.
Further from the linked article
Except they didn’t call him “our insider”. He could still be an asset of course but the author doesn’t seem to have cottoned on to “Our Ukraine” being a party.
Thank you for sharing that….it’s a wee bit harder for us that know bit more of whats going on…Glad your son is safe
yes i remember at my house trying to tell my boy about the west’s crimes in Libya…and His corporate media fed reply’ s .. .and yet a couple of years later ( whilst driving through Glen Coe at 6am ) his tune had changed…he appeared to know a bit -Gold /OIl…
The reason we were going through Glen coe…was to get to Fort William… he was running the West highland way for Charity… For a wee Local boy… in just under 30 hours… same again this year…in nearly 24 hours – dressed as a Penguin… Still a bit Brainwashed But a good heart in him
The five NATO troops killed in Afghanistan were American. Two Afghans were also killed in the same incident. It was an American airstrike that went to the wrong target. More coffins draped in the Stars and Stripes for Obama to mourn over.
Squonk, it looks like Wikileaks were/are well aware that the US cables referred to the party Our Ukraine. Poroshenko is a difficult person to pin down politically. But Russia Today has run the story.
The Ukrainian mafia tycoon with whom Timoshenko was doing business and destroying files which incriminated her and him which caused animosity between Poroshenko and Timoshenko (who loathe one another) is on the top ten most wanted criminals on FBI files.
Yesterday Poroshenko’s army resorted to the use of what appears to be white phosphorus incendiary bombs. Russia Today has been reporting this.
a great wee piece here –
An Open Letter to Ban Ki-Moon and the UN
” Filtration camps for civilians, innocent civilians burned alive in buildings, civilians being attacked by an illegal government with military hardware, cluster bombs and white phosphorous being dropped in civilian areas, women and children murdered, arbitrary abuse and detention of journalists…these are scenes all too familiar to those who know the history of the Second World War and the behavior of Nazis…but will the UN act and do anything about it and punish the perpetrators or their enablers?
A democratically elected government of Ukraine was overthrown by force and violence by one of the Security Council members. It is no secret that overhead in a phone conversation was Victoria Nuland discussing who was their choice to be Ukraine’s leader.
Mr. Ban Ki-Moon, are you supposed to be the Secretary-General of the United Nations Organization? Are you not supposed to promote peace and international law in the international community? Yes, or no?
If no, then fine. Let us admit once and for all that the United Nations only does well with a small number of humanitarian efforts, helping refugees, distributing food, upholding gender equality, defending women’s rights, the rights of the LGBT community and so on and so forth…
” If there is to be inaction when crimes against humanity are approved of by the Big Three, then the UN should be immediately dissolved as a totally useless organization that only panders to the will of western nations, specifically the “exceptional/indispensable” Americans.
Why does the United Nations ignore the war crimes being committed by the Kiev junta against the civilian population there?….
“In addition to always supporting western pressure against Iran and others, the UN gave full support to the military aggression carried out against Libya, accepting without hesitation the false trumped up claims of the imperialist powers that the Libyan people were “under attack” from their own army troops. What resulted was the total devastation of Libya, turning the most prosperous country in Africa into a pile of rubble and unrestrained terrorism.
So why was the UN so concerned about the fake, bogus charges against the Libyan government, (they tried the same with Syria), but sees and hears nothing about the massively and well documented crimes in Ukraine?
Alcanon / Sqounk , the above, are a few paragraphs i picked out from the full piece….which can be found @
‘BankiMoon’ is the stooge of the USUKIsNATO axis.
Yesterday he was waffling about Iraq
He was chosen for the purpose of saying what they want to hear. Other than that they might as well put him out to grass for all the good he is. Not since Dag Hammarskjold RIP…..
Some More ….From Putin –
” In the past 20 years, our partners have been trying to convince Russia of their good intentions, their readiness to jointly develop strategic cooperation. However, at the same time they kept expanding NATO, extending the area under their military and political control ever closer to our borders. And when we rightfully asked: “Don’t you find it possible and necessary to discuss this with us?” they said: “No, this is none of your business.” Those who continue insisting on their exclusivity strongly dislike Russia’s independent policy. The events in Ukraine prove this. They also prove that a model of relations full of double standards does not work with Russia.
Nevertheless, I hope pragmatism will eventually prevail. We need to get rid of ambitions, of attempts to establish a ‘world barracks’ and arrange everybody by rank, or to impose single rules of behaviour and life, and to finally begin building relations based on equality, mutual respect and concern for mutual interests. It is time we admit each other’s right to be different, the right of every country to live its own life rather than to be told what to do by someone else.
Colleagues, in its foreign policy Russia has been consistently proceeding from the notion that solutions to global and regional conflicts should be sought not through confrontation, but through cooperation and compromise. We advocate the supremacy of international law while supporting the UN’s leading role.
International law should be mandatory for all and should not be applied selectively to serve the interests of individual select countries or groups of states, and most importantly, it should be interpreted consistently. It is impossible to interpret it in one way today, and in a different way tomorrow to match the political goals of the day.”
Some Excellent Videos Here –
Including This –
The Truthseeker: Ukraine Gangster State Calls for ‘Nuclear Strikes’
RT on Jun 28, 2014
Parliament moves to quit Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty; Nazis ‘regular reconnaissance visits to nuclear power stations’; Billionaire governor, whose Privatbank is top recipient of new IMF bailout, being placed on international wanted list for ‘banned methods of warfare and aggravated murder’.
It is increasingly looking like the Ukrainian military brought down the Malaysian plane.
In the meantime Poroshenko’s forces are still murdering civilians in Lugansk, less than 60 kilometres from the crash scene.
I noticed that you have RD and AngrySoba round your neck John. Amazing that they are so convinced of their position. Do you think that there will ever be a proper investigation?
It appears that each country has its own AAI body.
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