The General Discussion Thread

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Okay as an experiment here it is. Discuss your favourite generals here!

Well perhaps… Really this is simply the place to post news-items, fun-items or whatever takes your fancy. In short just post what you want here.

It’s just another wee experiment – comments welcome.


[Image: General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett (Stephen Fry)]

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  1. Thanks Clark. Phil..all good advice.

    Taking a break probably means insomnia. I often get it switching hypertension meds. My eating problem was most pronounced last weekend while pot-free. Appetite returned briefly after returning home.

    I am no party guy

    Oh I seem to be the Life of the party but it’s a mask.

    I enjoy solitude. Social things stress me out. My stomach churns…kills the appetite.

    I think it’s that plus AGING. It sucks hind teat

  2. Just dropped by to see how you guys are doing, and it seems you are having ingestion problems.

    Don’t take any drugs unless you have to, like my taking treatment for cancer successfully.

    And eat as little good food as possible, and don’t eat a big meal just before going to bed. So get your solitude while resting your body, and eat a big meal at the middle of the day if you have to, so digestion is pretty much over by the time you go to bed.

  3. Oh, thanks Phil, but my treatment is continuing, starting on Tuesday with a year-long series every three weeks to make sure it stays gone.

    Just following the advice of my brother who is a most successful oncologist. He persuaded the VA to continue it as stated.

    And I learned from him about what to eat when, and the importance of cooling you body while sleeping or going to sleep by first taking a COLD shower which I have yet to perform.

    Importance of taking blood pressure and blood sugar tests constantly has yet to be achieved.

    Remember in the end it is your health we are talking about.

  4. Ben

    Probably a Long shot if you have any Reiki Healers close by..

    I have fallen away from practice, But it’s Powerful stuff.. I’m only saying this Here.. But I think I saved Listeningwater from Cancer using Reiki.. Get to Tai Chi too.. My Tai Chi Sifu Gave up Reiki because he said the power of Tai Chi is far more powerful.

    You too Trow..

    All the best you two.

  5. Trow: “And I learned from him about what to eat when, and the importance of cooling you[r] body while sleeping or going to sleep by first taking a COLD shower which I have yet to perform.

    Got to agree with that, mate. Ended up taking cold showers when the water heater in work packed in last year. The water in the shower got progressively colder over the course of a week, until it was freezing.

    Very refreshing indeed! Certainly wakes you up, and I am sure it’s good for you – at the least, it’s character building.

    By that time, I’d got used to it – even liked it – so that I leave it on freezing now anyway. Can’t beat it after a hard cycle in, and after the daily lunchtime FBW (full-body workout), and after a hard cycle home again. Even better, it saves energy because you don’t need to heat the water.

  6. Brian: is there a book or DVD you recommend for Tai Chi?

    This is a forgotten bucket item and I think my mindset is timely for breaking through. Plus my joints need the lubrication but I love the PsycheSoma solution.

    Thanks all
    Well wishes for continued whole health to you Trow.


    Oxford professor argues invisible aliens are interbreeding with humans

    The Oxford Student has learnt that Dr Young-hae Chi, Professor at Oxford’s Oriental Institute, believes in a strong correlation between climate change and alien abductions.

    …Dr Chi argued that “it is not only scientists and theologians, but also non-human species who appear to be greatly concerned about the survivability of the human species”.

    He pointed out that the timing of aliens’ appearance coincides with the earth facing major problems, climate change and nuclear weapons in particular.

    He concludes that “it may be more or less assumed that the hybrid project is a response to this impending demise of human civilisation”.

    He went on to argue that if we act now on climate change, “not only can we save ourselves, but also prove aliens wrong in their judgement of our moral capacity”.

    In April 2018, Dr Chi approached The Oxford Union to propose a debate on the subject. The proposed motion was: ‘Aliens exist on earth, Yes or no?’. However, this proposal was not accepted by the then president-elect.

  8. Hi Ben.. The Only book I have on tia chi is QiGong – A very forensic analysis

    and here is Alan ..the Sifu I trained Under -He would show me the applications , in Fight mode.. because I am Jiu Jitsu expert.. I remember Him Looking intently at me..he was saying he will teach me the martial moves.. ” Because You have something ”

    Wonderful Titles to moves too – Grasp the Sparrow’s Tail Ect –

  9. Just ordered it in Amazon Bri.

    How many Tai Chi schools of thought?

    Does this illustrate the moves?

  10. I do remember something about that – vaguely. Might be wrong here, it passed within the orbit of the Earth and the moon, or very near it – could that possibly be correct?

    At the time, it occurred that it’s a rather close shave considering nothing was announced beforehand, and some cultists got very excited about far most distant visitors in the past.

    (The Hale-Bopp comet attracted the Heaven’s Gate cult – and a couple score of them killed themselves not far from where I lived at the time, believing they would be whisked away by it.)

    After considering, Dang – that was close! Why didn’t anyone mention it beforehand? Where is the lack of excitement? …. I hadn’t given it another thought until now.

  11. NASA warning or CYA bureaucratic sophistry?

    I wouldn’t trust these bastids if they alerted us to Sunrise in the East.

    I’d get up and see for myself

  12. Glenn,

    The thing about 2007 FT3 is that there are so few observations and from so long ago that we don’t know how close it went by in 2013 because, despite looking for it nobody saw it according to the records. There was an unexpectedly large meteor shower at about the time it should have been close by if I recall.

  13. This one is within 19k

    While Apophis is not expected to hit Earth, scientists are meeting this week at the Planetary Defense Conference to discuss a hypothetical scenario of how to deflect an approaching asteroid within the next eight years.

    Eh? Just now you’re discussing..?

  14. Er…

    – Access Denied
    – You don’t have permission to access “” on this server.

    – Reference #18.b0e11602.1556744529.1f90d55c

    – Access Denied
    – You don’t have permission to access “” on this server.

    – Reference #18.4e0f0317.1556744559.259c067b

    Google claims to cache the first reference, but then its cache returns an error. Just fills you with confidence, doesn’t it? It could almost be designed to start a mass panic.

    On the other hand, it has a Wikipedia page, which isn’t even Semi-Protected:

    Ben: “I wouldn’t trust these bastids if they alerted us to Sunrise in the East.”

    Associated Free Press 2008:
    German schoolboy, 13, corrects NASA’s asteroid figures:

    “Nico Marquardt used telescopic findings from the Institute of Astrophysics in Potsdam (AIP) to calculate that there was a 1 in 450 chance that the Apophis asteroid will collide with Earth, the Potsdamer Neuerster Nachrichten reported.

    – NASA had previously estimated the chances at only 1 in 45,000 but told its sister organisation, the European Space Agency (ESA), that the young whizzkid had got it right”

    But it was a false alarm:

    “Nico Marquardt published a research paper in which he calculated the probability of Apophis to collide with a geosynchronous satellite during its flyby on April 13, 2029 and the consequences of this event to the likelihood of an Earth-collision 2036. Afterwards, the German newspaper Bild published an article stating a 100-times higher probability of an Earth-collision in the year 2036 than Marquardt calculated. Nearly all international press reported the news with false data caused by the review from Bild even though Marquardt denied. This estimate was allegedly confirmed by ESA and NASA but in an official statement, NASA denied the wrong statement”
    – – – – – –

    Don’t worry about it too much is my advice. It’s only 370 metre in diameter, and would thus yield a blast of under 1000 megaton, ie. about three or four times the Krakatoa explosion, or under a hundred-thousandth of the dinosaur-killing Chicxulub impact.

  15. Thanks Clark but I was just emphasizing we need astrophysicist friends like yourself and Squonk for trust issues .

    Even you and AA worry me because you drive from establishment science and whether or not you agree there are serious trust issues extant

  16. Ben, I don’t think of the scientific community as ‘establishment’; some scientists are establishment types, some aren’t, some are paid by various competing companies at times through their careers, yet others are amateurs, students or retired, and a numerous minority are outright eccentrics. Plus the scientific community is international. In all, it is much broader than the Western establishment. Yes, there are funding, disclosure and publication issues, but challenges to ‘official’ scientific positions do get published, and do make a difference; here are a couple of examples:

    But the real litmus test is that the establishment repeatedly and routinely ignore the scientific community and dismiss their findings, especially when action would cost money or diminish profits. For instance the commercial/political establishment has been avoidant or dismissive about the environmental crisis for decades:

    World Scientists’ Warning to Humanity: A Second Notice:

    William J. Ripple, Christopher Wolf, Thomas M. Newsome, Mauro Galetti, Mohammed Alamgir, Eileen Crist, Mahmoud I. Mahmoud, William F. Laurance, and 15,364 scientist signatories from 184 countries.

  17. Ckark: I respectfully disagree

    Institutional thinking pervades boundaries.

    For example I have more original musical sounds in my head when I refrain from.listening to other artists.

    Most science research is foundation/institutional for practical funding purposes.

    Hive mind is a defense mechanism

  18. I think I’m saying science is semi-intransigent in openly discussing challenges to the established order. We need more scientist shite-kickers.

    As an anomaly they are nutz. As a significant voice they move the needle.

  19. Thanks Squonk, that got it. Unfortunately the meter doesn’t do what I need.

  20. Clark: You’re on fire mate. Great postings recently. Keep it up!

    I think/hope that thread will last longer than the 9/11 one, and for a much better result.

  21. Ben: Galileo; heliocentrism. Alfred Wegener; plate tectonics. Darwin and Huxley; evolution. Barry Marshall and Robin Warren; stomach ulcers. Bohr vs. Einstein; quantum non-locality. Tesla vs. Edison’s gang; AC supply systems. Big bang theory. Pulsars. Black holes. Pasteur and germ theory.

    All of these overturned orthodoxies. Both sides are valuable and necessary, the ones who defend the old forcing rigorous work from those who promote the new.

  22. Glenn, thanks!

    I think that Twin Tower demolition theory did a lot of damage; Chandler’s over-simplification probably started countless millions on their journeys of conspirology. It’s so simple and it looks so watertight. But actually it falls to a simple reductio ad absurdum by predicting that no structure that has successfully stood can undergo accelerating collapse. The scientific community should engage more with the public, and not leave it to journalists.

  23. Glenn, the XR members deserve much of the credit. Being on the Marble Arch and other sites was like a foretaste of utopia – the attitude, the atmosphere – the XR principles are actually practised. They work, and they are inspiring.

    6: We welcome everyone and every part of everyone –
    Working actively to create safer and more accessible spaces.

    My grief was accepted, and care was freely offered. No one tried to ‘cure’ me of it; it was considered appropriate to the toxic system in which we’re immersed. It was truly refreshing.

  24. Yes Clark. And many of those stalwart souls had to hunker down because TRADITION..or bigotry or some noble architecture they’ve latched onto as an imperative, is ensconced in a Hall of worshipful loyalty.

    Really? Such attachments are romantic but deadly to forward movement.

  25. People are made of carbon, ideas are bullet-proof.

    We only know what we see.

    Fellow humans can touch for a sense of reality to augment other senses, like confirmation bias.

    We try to see the potentialty in ourselves but we seem to perpetually fall short of the image we are to aspire to

    Who is worthy of being larger than their secret selves?

    Who can conquer their animal baseline?

    Who makes the choice to get worse when the alternative is better?

    Asking for a small circle of friends…

  26. I have a very useful command line utility called loudnorm Phil. I use it in two batch files or bash scripts. Last thing after mastering I run the audio file through it twice, first time to get the input levels which I use to edit the script for the second run. Everything I do has the same loudness and peak values. It can be used on livestreams as well but it isn’t as accurate.

  27. Fred

    Brilliant. That looks like exactly what I need. I am going to see if I can get it working with some mono mp3s now. I’ll let you know how I get on. Thanks very much.

  28. Fred

    Would you help me out please. This is exactly what I need but I can’t get it going.

    This tool normalises different parts of the file according to local levels. This means it is also acting as some type of limiter and sets different levels in one file, right? Sounds cool.

    I downloaded a ruby script, loudness.rb, from here:

    but this seems to have only two params, in wav & out wav. None of which relates to the commands on the loudnorm page. I’m lost.

    How do I get and use the loudnorm script?

  29. Fred

    What about my workflow? I have a stereo wav from which I need a mono mp3 set to -19 KPFS. I have audacity where needed.

    .What’s the best way? Make a mono wav in audacity, set levels using loudnorm, then convert to mp3 in audacity??

    Only answer this if you know already. Otherwise I will work it out once I’m up and running. But if you could help me get going that would be great.

  30. Fred, it’s OK I think I understand. The commands are in the ruby script. I think I need to set the params in the script itself and then run it. Let me try now.

  31. Yeah that didn’t work. ffmpeg is installed.

    ph[email protected]:~/Documents/Scripts/loudnorm$ ./loudness.rb ‘bonus v1.wav’ test.wav
    /usr/lib/ruby/2.3.0/open3.rb:199:in `spawn’: No such file or directory – /usr/local/bin/ffmpeg (Errno::ENOENT)
    from /usr/lib/ruby/2.3.0/open3.rb:199:in `popen_run’
    from /usr/lib/ruby/2.3.0/open3.rb:95:in `popen3′
    from ./loudness.rb:26:in `’

  32. OK. I set the ffmpeg bin param. Now it can’t find loudnorm filter. But isn’t loudnorm part of ffmpeg? I hate computers.

    [email protected]:~/Documents/Scripts/loudnorm$ ./loudness.rb test.wav testx.wavGuessed Channel Layout for Input Stream #0.0 : stereo
    Input #0, wav, from ‘test.wav’:
    comment : stonewall ardour 2
    encoded_by : Phil
    originator_reference: ZZ— Ardour5.12213452561185395
    date : 2019-05-03
    creation_time : 21:34:52
    time_reference : 321393673
    coding_history : A=PCM,F=44100,W=24,M=stereo,T=libsndfile-1.0.27
    Duration: 00:29:14.49, bitrate: 2116 kb/s
    Stream #0:0: Audio: pcm_s24le ([1][0][0][0] / 0x0001), 44100 Hz, 2 channels, s32 (24 bit), 2116 kb/s
    [AVFilterGraph @ 0xd1fd00] No such filter: ‘loudnorm’
    Error opening filters!

  33. Phil.

    I just have two batch or bash scripts which I run in a command window.

    The first one reads:

    ffmpeg -i input.wav -af loudnorm=I=-16:TP=-1.5:LRA=11:print_format=summary -f null –

    From that you get the input levels which you use to edit the second script which reads:

    ffmpeg -i input.wav -af loudnorm=I=-16:TP=-1.5:LRA=11:measured_I=-19.1:measured_TP=+1.7:measured_LRA=7.2:measured_thresh=-29.4:offset=-0.3:linear=true:print_format=summary -ar 44100 output.wav

    Only with the input levels of your file.

    To convert a stereo file to mono just import it into Audacity, click on “Tracks”, go to “Mix” then click on “Mix Stereo down to Mono” then export it as a wav or mp3.

  34. updated to ffmpeg 4 and everything works like a dream. perfect. thanks again Fred

  35. Looks like Kim is running circles around Bolton, Pompeo, Trump et al., getting nuclear weapons from Russia when he recently visited Putin, and forcing the Americans to go into a denuclearizing process of the Korean Peninsula with the nukes he got from Moscow.

  36. I wish I knew what y’all were talking about. 🙂

    Phil: Yes the Nature versus nurture discussion runs at the same pace as Quantum vs. String theory with much of the evidence buried deep in our core.

    Intuition is not measured in IQ tests because it’s difficult to qualify

    But I think it plays a role like Dark/Energy,Matter in the interaction between players like gravity and inertia.

    The longer I live the more epiphanies I experience. A critical mass of ideas is of no value unless a breakthrough is possible, and it is.

    I think we have Free Will but its limited to the life path carved in stone that has prescribed events but no determined outcome.

    In other words: We are not the sum total of our life experiences.

    We become what we are through our responses to the stimulus, good or bad.

  37. Fred

    That dpmeter seems only available for windows and mac. I have ubuntu so I can’t use it right?

    And would it mean I could set an integrated loudness within audacity? That would be easier still..

  38. I think that’s the individual’s choice clark.

    You can stay with the way you’ve always done it or you can forge another nerve pathway.

    We dont have to be automatons.

  39. “But Audacity has normalisation, in its ‘Effect’ menu”

    Yes but that only adjusts to peak. Online services require loudness units relative to full scale be a given value, youtube it’s -16 LUFS. They have complicated systems of measurement which ignore short very loud sounds such as a gun shot or a heavy hit on a snare while normatisation would just adjust everything else low to standardise the peak values.

  40. “That dpmeter seems only available for windows and mac. I have ubuntu so I can’t use it right?”

    Recent versions of Audacity can use windows VST plugins on linux. Just put it in the plugins directory then load it with Add/Remove Plugins from the Effects tab.

    By playing around with amplification and compression and or limiter you should be able to get the integrated loudness and peak to the right values but it’s a lot easier with loudnorm.

  41. Hi Ben

    That book is very Complex stuff.. But you have a Science way of thinking methinks..and Biological too. The best way to see Tai Chi Applications is in you tube videos…

    My old youtube was deleted..Dicks..I had wonderful videos of my Grandchildren on there..and lots more.. Dicks.

    I hope you are all well Squonk’s

  42. “Online services require loudness units relative to full scale be a given value”

    So normalise the whole thing, and then reduce its volume by however many units – though it seems a bit naff that the normalisation function doesn’t offer that option.

    “They have complicated systems of measurement which ignore short very loud sounds”

    If what’s really wanted is compression or limiting rather than normalisation, use compression / limiting. Or do you mean that Audacity’s ‘normalisation’ is actually something more complicated than normalisation?

  43. “…though it seems a bit naff that the normalisation function doesn’t offer that option.”

    My version of Audacity (2.1.2) does seem to have that facility; “Normalise maximum amplitude to [xx.x] dB”; second of three tick-boxes on the Normalise dialogue. So, all you should need to know is what -16 LUFS is in dB, and apparently 1dB is one LU.

  44. Hey Brian…all is well that seems well.

    Haven’t taken delivery of book as yet but there is no reason not to go online except laziness.

    Did I mention my buddy had rotator-cuff surgery a few months back?

    His arthritis is so bad doctors declared him ‘ permanent stationary’ years ago and the only thing that keeps him going is Yoga.

    He had to cease all yoga ovement for several weeks as his therapy progressed. Doctors were amazed that he wanted to start again weeks ahead of schedule. Doing good.

    I need that kind of activity, wife too, it’s just getting started. 🙂

  45. All normalise does is increase or decrease the level of whatever you have selected so the peak value is a given db.

    Integrated Loudness is a measure of the average loudness of the entire piece, it ignores short peaks and it is weighted by frequency because the human ear perceives different frequencies at the same level at a different loudness.

  46. Ben

    Tai Chi is Very powerful stuff..

    But Reiki is powerful too..I remember many times bringing out illness / injuries in people who had no idea they had.. Their bodies would actually tremble as my hands wove over them.

    Anyhoo I’ll try to seek out a Tai Chi Video.. to suit you… There are so many …

    My own Art of Jiu Jitsu is more Em .. Rough..and Soft
    ..Aikido Is Very Beautiful

    On another Note –

    Yesterday was Amazing.. Here is how the rally kicked off before Craig. speech –

    It almost felt like doune the Rabbit Hole.

  47. The easiest way for the USA to get rid of the Venezuelan regime is simply to kill Maduro which it tried on Saturday. But it must be quite subtle, and there must be no surviving witnesses.

    The best way to do it is to crash a vehicle when the target travels. The problem then is to have good intelligence on what the targer is doing, and a means which reduces collateral damage.

    In Maduro’s case it needed to know when and how he was going to address the troops, and lasers don’t know what they are attacking, and they have a very limited window to attack with certainly.

    In Maduro’s case the satellite laser targeted a helicopter leaving Caracas bound for the west, and it hit the wrong target, as he had already arrived somehow at this destination.

    Chalk up another disaster for the Agency, and it has many more failures than successes for its efforts.

  48. I’ve considered Jiu Jitsu but it’s a takedown defense and I have to learn how to fall. I worry about the unsuccessful practice runs . It’s for younger folk who still recover from torn ligaments.

    I decided Tai Chi is more my glacial speed, Brian

  49. Tai Chi is still a martial art but its defensive

    A Tai Chi guy once paralyzed me with a neck pressure point.

  50. When is the American public going to get its representatives to impeach and remove Trump from office for his high crimes and misdemeanors on a daily basis?

  51. They’ll have to impeach him from the ballot box

    Americans are Schizoid on politics because they dont have time or interest in sorting out politics.

    Wall Street and captains of industry had to wait eight years to release the grip on the economy to get the last drop of blood out of a dysfunctional economy that is poised for catastrophe.

    They could not stomach a successful black POTUS

    It doesnt take much smarts to create chaos and uncertainty. But if it’s a talent. Trump has it

  52. That’s a year and a half away. By then, the rest of us will be nuts too.

  53. See that The Royals are catching it too, calling their latest edition Archie, for Archie Bunker. Of course, they are trying to cover it up by saying it is for Archie Lord Mountbatten. The doubters of the Obama birth certificate will have a field day looking for Archie’s, poor kid.

  54. Of course. I want conversation. Thought I would try a new line to get you guys to discuss something I post, trying to promote humor, but it has got nowhere.

  55. Trump? He’s just a tool, same as all the Republican presidents of recent years. They’re chosen because they’re stupid and easy to manipulate. Trump’s just somewhat more obnoxious. Warmongers and fossil fuel barons run the show, just like the Bush administration. Russia? Yeah, Russian interests converge into the same nexus, but why single out Russia? SCL and its ties to the UK military hold far more responsibility for Trump’s victory:

    – Several key directors at Cambridge Analytica’s parent company have direct connections to the fossil fuel industry,
    – By Nafeez Ahmed:

    – Among Hanson’s major acquisitions, for instance, was the Peabody Holding Company, the largest coal producer in the United States in the 1990s. The firm was sold and grew into Peabody Energy—now the largest private-sector coal company in the world.

    – In April 2016, Peabody filed for bankruptcy due to plummeting coal prices. Trump’s election victory, which Cambridge Analytica helped target ads for, turned Peabody’s imminent collapse around. One day after Trump’s win, Peabody shares surged by over 50 percent, and six months later the global coal giant came out of bankruptcy.

    – Cambridge Analytica’s connection to Hanson’s wealth appears to have been close during that founding year. The company correspondence address for Teroerde’s directorship at SCL Elections was the same address as Hanson Asset Management, meaning he essentially fulfilled his duties to the company from the Hanson office.

    – Big Oil

    – Cambridge Analytica has other ties to fossil fuel interests. Julian Wheatland has been chairman of Cambridge Analytica parent company SCL group since 2009. During this period, Wheatland has simultaneously held a number of other directorships in companies with overlapping energy and military interests.

    – Wheatland is listed in the document as Phi Energy Group’s Chief Finance Officer; he also lists that position on his LinkedIn page. The document identifies the companies that Phi Energy worked with: Shell, Noble Group, Eni, Esso, BP, Statoil, Tamoil, Total and Saras—a veritable who’s who of international oil majors.

    – Since 2009, Wheatland has also been Chief Executive of Hatton International, a company about which almost no public information can be found. The Phi Energy document shows, however, that Hatton also overlapped with fossil fuel interests.

    – The regions where Phi Energy/Hatton’s energy work was carried out include Iraq and Libya, both subjected to US-UK military interventions.

    – Kreimeia’s Phi Energy bio, for instance, depicts him as a key player in negotiating refining agreements in key Middle East countries, specifically assisting major EU refineries in negotiations with the Libyan National Oil Company (LNOC), the Iraqi State Oil Marketing Company and the Kurdish Regional Government (KRG).

  56. Trump’s a double-whammy.

    He’s easy to manipulate for the fossil fuel barons.

    And he’s great at distracting the public from the real source of evil.

  57. Can anything be more pathetic than the media’s coverage of North Korea firing off another projectile much like ones Russia has, speculating that this might jeopardize a negotiated solution to the political; ptoblems there when it is just the opposite.

    Rutin has given delivery systems and nukes to make Kim a real threat to the region, and he is playing it for all its worth. Might really succeed.

  58. Looks like Sweden will announce on Monday that it has dropped the rape case again against Julian Assange but not why it is doing so, i.e.., after it is resolved for fear that some state will go along with the Council of Europe’s recommendation that it not be dictated to by Washington about what it can allow being published. A single state’s opposition could quash any extradition to the States.

    Looks like London will extradite him about this time next year.

  59. They are glad US wants first crack at him
    Shaking the dust off their feet, Trow.

    It’s a hornet’s nest

  60. I think Swedish officialdom has good reason for not angering London and Washington. Look what happenned to Olof Palme and Anna Lindh.

  61. For example, how about his claim that the historical record shows co2 rises have always followed temperature change (not vice versa). An extraordinary claim that I guess could be easily debunked but I can’t find the info.

  62. I don’t pay any attention to Piers Corbyn but it is true that during warmings initiated by orbital changes the ice-core CO2 data shows an initial lag at the start of the temperature change. That’s to be expected as orbital influences initiated the process. The current man-made greenhouse gas release is the initiator this time round though.

    A 2012 study by Shakun et al. looked at temperature changes 20,000 years ago (the last glacial-interglacial transition) from around the world and added more detail to our understanding of the CO2-temperature change relationship. They found that:

    The Earth’s orbital cycles triggered warming in the Arctic approximately 19,000 years ago, causing large amounts of ice to melt, flooding the oceans with fresh water.

    This influx of fresh water then disrupted ocean current circulation, in turn causing a seesawing of heat between the hemispheres.

    The Southern Hemisphere and its oceans warmed first, starting about 18,000 years ago. As the Southern Ocean warms, the solubility of CO2 in water falls. This causes the oceans to give up more CO2, releasing it into the atmosphere.

    While the orbital cycles triggered the initial warming, overall, more than 90% of the glacial-interglacial warming occured after that atmospheric CO2 increase (Figure 2).

    Figure 2: Average global temperature (blue), Antarctic temperature (red), and atmospheric CO2 concentration (yellow dots).

  63. Cheers Squonk.

    Can you recommend a link that discusses possible physical changes we need to make to avoid disaster. ie what are the major problems and what might be done and within what timeframes. I’m not after the politics. Just some data about the causes (eg food production, air travel, mining etc??) and what technologies are available, are becoming available, to counter these problems.

  64. Cows and sheep – ruminants – are major methane emitters, and major contributors to global warming. I’ve heard that feeding them seaweed cuts it down enormously. Lab-grown meat has low emissions too.

    Cut-and-burn deforestation, for palm oil and soy mainly, emits about 30% of the CO2 I think. Most of the soy goes to feed livestock.

    Contribution from air transport is relatively low, only 1% to 2% I think. But only 1% to 2% of the global population account for 90% of it or something. Air miles could be rationed, and the rations made saleable.

    Here’s an article with four graphs about emissions by country:

    The following article discusses SLCPs – short-lived climate pollutants, following on from CFCs:

    Carbon capture – Wikipedia has an article, in fact two I think. I know someone at UCL who’s assessed this field and said it isn’t turning out as well as hoped; I’ll ask him for references.

    There are a load of aerospace companies pushing for Stratospheric Aerosol Injection, ie. they want to make chemtrailing a reality. It’s currently banned by international treaty. The idea is to spray sulphates into the upper atmosphere to reflect away sunlight. What could possibly go wrong?

    [Squonk: Freed from spam filter]

  65. Phil,

    Here’s a very detailed document from the UN IPCC

    Chapter 2

    Showing how emissions can be brought to zero by mid-century stay within the small remaining carbon budget for limiting global warming to 1.5°C.

    The entire document is at and the “Summary for Policy Makers” is worth reading.

    Basically the science says it is doable if politics and economics allows. We need to get to net zero emissions by no later than 2050 and start reducing now. I’ll probably have some more comments to make later but the problem is I don’t know where to start.

  66. Well that worked; hello Squonk, thanks. My view shows me two of my comments awaiting moderation.

    The only thing I didn’t try earlier was probably the first one I should have; private browsing. I even switched the router off and back on, which usually changes my IP address.

  67. Is anyone acquainted with the parameters of automatic writing?

    Asking for a friend. 😉

    It seems writing has become instinctive with regard to pitch, pace and power.

    The faster I respond to Instapundit comments or posts the quicker I speed read linked articles with almost instantaneous analysis of the subject matter. Look at timestamps. I seem to be expanding exponentially like this for some time now. I think something is happening that I have no control over. It is consuming me.

    Much of the repartee will seem defense is.

    But watch my responses..almost instinctive..weird. I am not psychotic I hope you can discern. But I am driven by power I cannot contain.

    Username Semanticleo

    Check the dialogues or monologues due to agenda

    Is it insane to use my energy to move the needle,?

  68. I would like to hear from anyone but especially Fred and Brian.

    No offense intended. We seem more akin.

  69. I have been dealing with crises but as Buddha says, for those crises, we should thank the gods.

  70. If anyone doubts Trump’s domestic cleverness, they should think about who John Durham, the federal prosecutor to investigate the alleged Russia probe against the POTUS, really is, and what he has done.

    Durham rook over aa the Connecticut federal district attorney from Deirdre Daly, the close friend of its Senators Richard Blumenthal and Chris Murphy. both of whom objected to her being fired. Blumenthal was Connecticut Attorney General when Yale student Suzanne Jovin apparently wrote in her 1999 senior thesis that Osama bin Laden was planning to hit the WTC again. This time with suicide boomers using hijacked airliners. Murphy almost always follows what its senior Senator wants.

    For so claiming, when his Libyan minions learned of their failures in maintaining its top secrecy, she was brutally murdered in early December 1998. Connecticut’s officialdom put the lid similarly on finding her killers then and ever since, especially after 9/11.

    :Little wonder that they all favor Durham now to keep the lid on the continuing war of terrorism when careful bipartisanship which Durham is noted for is required.

  71. I should explain that eruption.

    I have need to get this out of me. My buddy began by saying it seemed unhealthy to vent my spleen on paper. But when he understood I expunge the toxin, or rather discharge it he seemed less concerned.

    He, like me has violence inside that he events by setting aside with a wave of his hand. We are much alike, but different approaches. He is glass half- half- empty in philosophy.

    I find my anger is assuaged when I write. It’s my way.

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