The General Discussion Thread

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Okay as an experiment here it is. Discuss your favourite generals here!

Well perhaps… Really this is simply the place to post news-items, fun-items or whatever takes your fancy. In short just post what you want here.

It’s just another wee experiment – comments welcome.

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[Image: General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett (Stephen Fry)]

14,145 thoughts on “The General Discussion Thread

  1. Practically and pragmatically, meat and animal-sourced food needs to be rationed; human livestock now dwarfs wild animal biomass.

    Ben and Fred seem to be making similar arguments; that individual freedom must always take priority even if it will lead to disaster for the vast majority, and only authoritarians or fascists would object.

    Actually, if governments had acted when warned, compulsory measures would have been minimal. But we’ve travelled thirty years down the wrong road by refusing to face the problems, and now we need costly and unpleasant emergency measures.

  2. An ‘Emergency’ sounds like an excuse for martial law and all its trappings Clark.

    Should scofflaws who insist on meat privileges be imprisoned?

  3. Normally, you have a manipulative power that ‘divides & rules’, but it appears that we have two camps building up here without any manipulative power… I was enjoying the ding-dong until the sides began to emerge. Bloody human nature!

    Anyway, I was surprised at the original artists of this song…

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O7xGIMCYNuA

    PS. Dogs don’t taste like chicken, I’m led to believe!

  4. Ben, we’ve had thirty years of excuses for not tackling the problem. When martial law becomes necessary, those excuses will be the cause, not lazy hedonists like me.

  5. For the avoidance of doubt, Clark, I’m convinced that humans are overriding the natural cycle (unless human domination and ignorance is natural?).

    We’ll all join Willie McBride but, hopefully, in our own time. I fear for the young as it’s not going to get better in our time and ignorance has always been our enemy (hindsight is everything).

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr6OzLJrS2k

  6. Fred, October 23, 2019 at 11:02 pm:

    “Which page of the IPCC report is eco-armageddon on, I must have missed it.”

    AR5 (2014)

    SPM 2.3 – Future risks and impacts caused by a changing climate (page 13):

    Climate change is projected to undermine food security (Figure SPM.9). Due to projected climate change by the mid-21st century and beyond, global marine species redistribution and marine biodiversity reduction in sensitive regions will challenge the sustained provision of fisheries productivity and other ecosystem services (high confidence). For wheat, rice and maize in tropical and temperate regions, climate change without adaptation is projected to negatively impact production for local temperature increases of 2°C or more above late 20th century levels, although individual locations may benefit (medium confidence). Global temperature increases of ~4°C or more 13 above late 20th century levels, combined with increasing food demand, would pose large risks to food security globally (high confidence). Climate change is projected to reduce renewable surface water and groundwater resources in most dry subtropical regions (robust evidence, high agreement), intensifying competition for water among sectors (limited evidence, medium agreement). {2.3.1, 2.3.2}”

    SPM 3.2 (page 19):

    “Without additional mitigation efforts beyond those in place today, and even with adaptation, warming by the end of the 21st century will lead to high to very high risk of severe, widespread and irreversible impacts globally (high confidence) (Figure SPM.10). In most scenarios without additional mitigation efforts (those with 2100 atmospheric concentrations>1000 ppm CO 2 -eq), warming is more likely than not to exceed 4°C above pre-industrial levels by 2100 (Table SPM.1). The risks associated with temperatures at or above 4°C include substantial species extinction, global and regional food insecurity, consequential constraints on common human activities and limited potential for adaptation in some cases (high confidence).

  7. “This. Is. An. Emergency.”

    So start living off grid, plant as many trees as you can and stop going to music festivals.

  8. Interesting if John Bolton so hates POTUS Trump that he states Joe Biden so believed that North Korea was nuclearing (aka experiencing American-made quakes claimed to be nuclear tests)) that he followed Bolton’ s approach towards Kim. and Trump is avoiding.

  9. “So start living off grid, plant as many trees as you can and stop going to music festivals.”

    ie. “consumer choice is the only approach which may be discussed. Environmental degradation must be considered from personal perspectives only; politics, social structure and economics must not be challenged.”

    Who taught you that, Fred? The corporate media which you constantly cite, and which is dependent on advertising for its income?

    You really are the most appalling hypocrite. You’ve run away to a low-population area, where you happen to have made friends with someone who bought some land. Great! Clear conscience for Fred, who can now lecture down his nose at all the lesser mortals elsewhere. How is someone in social housing meant to go off-grid and plant trees? But if they take action, Fred can jeer at their plastic shoes, which are the only ones they can afford.

    Do you even know why consumer choice can’t work? Have you even heard of demand-side and supply-side policies?

  10. “Only environmental saints have any moral right to influence matters. But you’re in luck; I am an environmental saint (or at least I’m friends with one), and I say that global warming is just a hoax to scare the sheeple.”

  11. Another sneaky point here is the idea that _everyone_ can rush off to an isolated spot, claim a huge patch of land, plant trees and so on. (The fact that the land needs trees planted on it might have something to do with all these blasted sheep – taxpayer subsidised, naturally – who make sure that nothing grows higher than 1/4 inch, after forests were cleared for their grazing in the first place. But never mind that.)

    I used to hear this sort of BS in America while living there, from those happily living in isolated regions and incredibly smug about it. All those city folk should actually move out, get a small-holding, get off-grid, live off the land, and get with nature. Scores of millions – actually over a couple of hundred million – of them.

  12. Why the hell should anyone have to get off-grid? Grid electricity should be clean, and would be if governments had taken the warnings seriously. Government-endorsed national electricity should be the cleanest of any, but don’t anyone dare get on the streets and force the issue, they’ve only had thirty years to clean up their act, and there might have been one extra financial crash and recession in that time if they hadn’t sensibly sold the future down the drain.

  13. Clark I guess I’m Fred’s explainer so I say it’s a matter of degree.

    Some are Greener than others. The trick is to avoid feeling superior.

  14. The problem with technological singularity is that we have to get there first; presently it looks as though crisis management is going to take priority until the bitter end.

    The power structures would also have to surrender their power to the decisions made by these proposed AIs. Since they’re unwilling to surrender their power to simple common sense, that doesn’t seem likely.

    We don’t need AIs to solve the current problems. All we need is rational decision-making based on compassionate acceptance of our equality and vulnerability.

  15. “The trick is to avoid feeling superior”

    So from October 7 me and my girlfriend spent ten days in London with Extinction Rebellion, at our own expense, camping in October, in central London with very limited access to sanitary facilities. We were under constant threat of arrest and having our shelter and bedding destroyed. We re-camped three times. I woke up sore from the damp from the third day onwards, and my girlfriend got arrested.

    For this, Fred accuses us of being “the deflated, self-loathing bourgeoisie coming together to project their own psycho-social hang-ups on to society at large”, while dismissing the existential threat to the current biosphere as a hoax.

    To paraphrase the last words that his (green saint) conspiracy theorist friend said to me, he can just go fuck himself.

  16. Fred was quoting from the article Clark. It’s odd that you seem defensive like Fred is attacking you while he feels attacked by the force of Activism which fully intends to enforce its dictum with social ostrification or worse.

    I note that both you and Glenn chose not to answer the question.

  17. What, the question “Should scofflaws who insist on meat privileges be imprisoned”?

    My take is that under rationing of, say, animal produce or fossil fuels, they’d be entitled to purchase or barter for others’ rations. If they broke that rule, by theft, fraud or whatever, they’d face the normal rule of law that any other criminal would.

  18. “…attacked by the force of Activism which fully intends to enforce its dictum with social ostrification or worse”

    That’s not XR. Principle 8: “We avoid blaming and shaming – we live in a toxic system, but no one individual is to blame.” Principle 6: “We welcome everyone and every part of everyone – working actively to create safer and more accessible spaces.” Principle 9: “We are a non-violent network – using non-violent strategy and tactics as the most effective way to bring about change.”:

    https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/about-us/

    I’m afraid it’s Fred who’s endorsing social ostracism, as promoted by the corporate “news” media.

  19. “I note that both you and Glenn chose not to answer the question.

    Ben – freedoms are always curtailed. Much as I’d love to produce dioxin in my back yard, and vent vast amounts of methyl isocyanate into the atmosphere across the population around here, I am not at liberty to do so. Isn’t that shocking?

    I’d also note that you chose not to return to a single point that you raised yourself, once you’d made one of the rather tired old objections (along the “plants might be able to feel pain!” line) and I’d answered it.

  20. “So hypocritical, constantly defending the system you ran away from.”

    You are the one who doesn’t practice what you preach.

  21. Wrong again, Fred; I don’t practice what you preach. It’s you preaching that consumer choice is the only acceptable action against global warming, not me. I preach NVDA, and I practice it, though not to the extent that I wish.

    Grief, what passes for logic in Fred’s world?

    And if XR are successful and a Citizens’ Assembly is convened with legal powers, I will celebrate its restrictions, because they will make my personal economies effective, rather than mere conscience-salving masochism.

  22. “Should scofflaws who insist on meat privileges be imprisoned?”

    I’ll tell you a little story now Ben.

    Some years ago I invited some friends round for a meal, I make a mean curry.

    Now two of my friends were vegetarian but different sorts of vegetarian, one was quiet about it while the other was more, shall we say, evangelical. So I made two curries, a vegetable curry and a rather nice venison curry, fortunately a deer that had been run over managed to stagger to the back of my car and climb in just before it expired.

    The strange thing is that one of those vegetarians ate more of the venison curry than the meat eaters did, guess which one 🙂

  23. So what’s the point of that “little story”, Fred, other than you think you’re clever? Did you dupe a veggie dude into eating meat, or wasn’t he really a veggie after all?

    In either case, I’m not sure you proved anything whatsoever there. Apart from what a smug bastard you are, of course.

  24. Your “little story” reminded me of another lie someone else told.

    Cyril Smith – a pompous, obese child molester – was on Any Questions about 25 years back. A Green Party candidate made a very good series of points about sustainability and responsible government policy, overpopulation and consumption and so on.

    Smith’s response was to lean back, point at the Green Party candidate, and say, “Didn’t I see you get out of a taxi just outside the BBC studios an hour ago?”

    “No, I came by train, then by Tube and walked the rest of the way.”

    “No, no – I definitely saw you getting out of a taxi. You don’t practice what you preach.”

    Smith was looking very pleased with himself, wagging a finger at the protesting Green Party candidate by this point. Your performance reminds me a great deal of that fat nonce. Was he a mate of yours, by any chance… ?

  25. Now it seems very likely that I remember the same incident as Fred describes above. It was Fred’s birthday meal, the venison curry was roadkill, and it was indeed very good. So the “evangelical vegetarian” was presumably me.

    Except that I have never been ideologically vegetarian.

    For several years I described my diet as “mostly vegan”, while pointing out that I do eat animal products, including meat, occasionally. I do advocate low meat and animal product consumption because (1) there cannot be enough animal produce to generalise Western consumption patterns to the global population and (2) most stock animals live and die in appalling conditions.

    Maybe Fred hadn’t really been listening to me; it wouldn’t have been the only time. I had potential solutions to various problems of his off-grid friends, but Fred made sure that only his advice was ever tried. I was useful for working at heights because everyone else was nervous about that, but beyond that I was to be kept in my place.

  26. You’ve never struck me as an evangelical veggie, Clark, and I’m not even sure I’ve heard you suggest you are one at all (disappointingly enough!). But in any case, there doesn’t strike me as much wrong with eating roadkill – it’s dead anyway, and wasn’t bred specifically for the purpose of eating, so it’s not that easy to come up with objections to making use of the carcass. I’d find it hard to stomach myself, but that’s not the point.

    Catching your own fish and eating it is a hell of a lot better than eating factory-farmed salmon, or from an industrial-scale trawler on-sea fishing factory. Any harm reduction is better than not bothering at all.

    So if that was you, in Fred’s “little story”, then he lied to make himself sound clever and boost his smugness yet further, and the veggie bad, a hypocrite/phoney whatever. I am shocked, shocked, I tell ya!

  27. My description of an anti-scientific talk-radio charlatan as such certainly wasn’t to be tolerated. Fred tells me that people should be indulged in their false beliefs, for some reason.

  28. Glenn, I live on Writtle Park Farm which, if you look on an old enough map, is in Writtle Deer Park, which has for centuries been a hunting ground. Deer no longer have any predators but humans, so under the authority of the Forestry Commission, the deer in this area are culled, to maintain their numbers at around 1600. The meat is for sale on Chelmsford street market; I have bought three portions since I moved here in 1991.

    A visiting hippy friend told me I lived on a death camp, but they don’t seem to have much to say to their friends who eat supermarket meat.

    The deer live completely wild and free. I’m not sure whether more die by being culled or by being struck by vehicles. The meat cannot be sold as ‘organic’ because most of the land they roam is not certified by the Soil Association.

  29. Can anyone with a sense of independence, even a pinch of dubiety, believe the picture perfect portrayal of the killing of ISIS leader Abu Al Baghdadi with no American dead, no photographic evidence provided of what happened in Iraq and Washington, special forces killers coming from Syria to do the job, Baghdadi dying like a dog and a coward, and no credible expert confirming what the POTUS claimed.

    Reminds me of what Hitler claimed about the German progress in WWII.

  30. Glenn, my take on meat and animal produce is this.

    Apart from the simplest organisms, everything has to eat other living things to survive; it’s an unpleasant fact of life, but at least each organism only has to die and be eaten once, which seems a pretty good deal, considering. As a human, I’m an omnivorous great ape and descended from hunter-gatherers, so cooperative hunting is part of my social and evolutionary heritage, very much part of what makes me a social animal. I should no more reject my own nature than I should the nature of carnivorous organisms.

    But there are a host of qualifications…

    In this modern age humans no longer need animal produce, because our agricultural technologies together with understanding of vegetable proteins and nutritional requirements can compensate.

    As a human I am an empathic animal, and I wish to minimise suffering.

    Apparently in reaction to poverty, and particularly conditions during WWII, lack of meat came to be associated with deprivation. Meat came to be regarded widely as “the only proper food”, and most people came to desire meat with every meal. This is extreme over-provision and in hunter-gatherer terms is ludicrous; meat or not would have been decided by the success or failure of the hunting, carried out with simple stone-and-wood implements.

    In counter-reaction to the above reaction, vegetarianism and veganism developed as ideologies, and polarisation has provoked bitterness. Having been severely indoctrinated as a child I’m suspicious of all ideologies.

    If I’m going to stay somewhere and I’m presented with a form to specify my dietary requirements, I tick “vegan” if its an option, or failing that “vegetarian”, to increase the provision of such food. However, in the actual food queue, I will sometimes take the meat / animal produce option, especially if the non-animal option is in short supply, which is often the case.

    I probably eat one meat meal per week, averaged over a year. I seem to want and eat more meat when working at festivals; I think my body requests it due to the physical labour and living outdoors.

    I am also more likely to eat meat when eating out, because the vegan and vegetarian options are usually so limited and/or expensive. This scandal should be corrected through taxation.

  31. Something else I’ve found is that cooking tasty, satisfying food becomes more difficult the less animal produce is used. To counter this, good vegan cooks could hold workshops, to pass on their valuable skills.

  32. Trow : Dont DNA tests take a minimum of 48 hours..but Trump has magical powers.

    Betcha Baghdadi shows up with more doubles

  33. Additionally, I regard vegetarianism as containing contradictions*, eg. the production of milk pretty much requires the production of beef. I also wouldn’t like to do without leather, for shoes and a few mechanical applications etc.

    (* Eggs seem to be an exception to this, so keeping chickens domestically seems a good way of recycling food waste.)

    Seeing as chickens carry on running after their heads are cut off, and that they don’t form social relationships, and show no fear or even awareness when others of their flock are slaughtered, I suspect that they are incapable of the more advanced forms of suffering (eg. anticipatory and empathic suffering) displayed by higher animals. But this is no excuse for subjecting them to the permanent torment of battery farming, nor the filthy “barn” conditions, as printed on egg packaging to disassociate it from “caged hens”. But I no longer eat chicken because I used to live near such a “barn”-type egg production unit; it was disgusting and it stank, and since then the vague resemblance of the smell of cooked chicken turns my stomach.

    There is also an argument that traditional farming struck a balance, using animal manure to fertilise soil, whereas purely arable farming requires less sustainable and less environmentally friendly fertilisers. I haven’t looked into this argument to assess its validity.

    In all, the matter seems considerably more complex to me than simply “eating animals is wrong”.

  34. “Seeing as chickens carry on running after their heads are cut off, and that they don’t form social relationships, and show no fear or even awareness when others of their flock are slaughtered, I suspect that they are incapable of the more advanced forms of suffering (eg. anticipatory and empathic suffering) displayed by higher animals.”

    Contrary to this meat industry propaganda, chickens have a rich social life.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-startling-intelligence-of-the-common-chicken/

    https://freefromharm.org/chicken-behavior-an-overview-of-recent-science/

    https://www.dummies.com/home-garden/hobby-farming/raising-chickens/basic-chicken-behaviors/

  35. Yup. Superior PETA minds think alike

    “People may ask, “But animals eat meat, so why shouldn’t we?” Some animals do kill other animals for food, but unlike most humans, those particular animals could not survive if they didn’t. It’s unfortunate that some suffering is a part of nature. But humans are capable of making choices based on ethics—such as how to feed, clothe, and entertain ourselves—so we have the responsibility of making the most ethical choices possible and of doing our best to reduce suffering of any kind.”

  36. Phil, thanks for those links; I haven’t read them yet, but as I said, those were only my suspicions, and I didn’t get them from the meat industry. Some friends of mine kept chickens for eggs. They had good conditions, good feed and weren’t captive. Yeah, they interacted somewhat, and showed immediate but brief fear of rather random stimuli, but just didn’t seem empathic, and only minimally aware of impending events. None of which excuses subjecting them to pain or bad conditions.

  37. Trump has made up so much dubious evidence, and destroyed real evidence that one doesn’t know what to believe about Abu AL-Bsghdadi’s alleged killing!

  38. OK, so there’s loads of chicken behaviour that either I didn’t notice, or a bunch of scientists hallucinated. But eat chickens anyway because they’re FUCKING NAZIS!

    “A hierarchal order is very important to the social lives of chickens. The head rooster protects the territory the group inhabits, as well as the chicks and hens in the group. Groups are composed of more dominant hens who remain close to the head rooster as well as more submissive hens and roosters who keep closer to the periphery”

    Phil, do you have a subscription to Scientific American? Or did you pay the $5.99 to read that issue? Or did you post that link unread? Or was the teaser enough?

  39. Ben, thanks for the plant communication links. When I was wondering about such things, decades ago, it did seem to me just an assumption that vegetation has no awareness and thus can’t care whether it gets eaten or not.

    Some vegetation eg. fruit has adaptations specifically to be appetising.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwRxh_k0M7s

  40. Of course this land is dangerous!
    All of the animals are capably murderous.

    And when I was a boy,
    my big brother held on to my hands,
    then he made me slap my own face
    I looked up to him then, and still do
    He was trying to teach me something
    Now I know what it was!
    Now I know what he meant!
    Now I know how it is!
    Ohh, ohh, ohh ohh, ohh, ohh ohh

    One must eat the other who runs free before him
    Put them right into his mouth
    While fantasizing the beauty of his movements
    A sensation not unlike slapping yourself in the face…
    Slapping yourself in the face…
    Slapping yourself in the face…

  41. No wonder Trump doesn’t trust the Democrats on leaks.

    Vice President Joe Biden, covert operations leader of the Obama administration, leaked the identity of the organization which killed Osama bin Laden, SEAL Team 6. and 15 of them were killed in an ambush in Afghanistan in August 2011.

  42. Clark: Appreciate your comments on veggie diets. I rather agree with you about milk – that is in a different category to, say, free range eggs. I’ve never heard a sensible argument against free range eggs, even from hard-core intellectuals (at least, they’d written books on the subject of veganism), other than to say it’s way too complicated to go into given the shortage of time , and it’s best to leave the free range eggs for someone else. I was less than convinced.

    I don’t think physical activity requires eating meat, which suggests the veggie is always weak and under-exercised. While in San Francisco for several years, I trained up to three times a day at Aikedo – probably about 12 sessions a week on average – besides a lot of walking, cycling, gym workouts, roller-blading and running.

    That was 20 years ago. Even in my more advanced years now – heading nearer to the 1/2 century mark – I cycle hard twice a day (15km each direction) to work . Ok, it is Holland so it’s flat, but I’m riding an old heavy mountain bike pretty fast (I _very_ rarely get passed). Every weekday I do a very intensive instructor-led full-body workout, or HIT (High Intensity Training) for a full hour at lunchtime. Usually more cycling in the evening after getting home, which in the summer – not to put too fine a point on it – means showering and a change of underwear at least three times a day. Stone cold showers, incidentally. Saves on the heating.

    The weekends are often taken up with longer distance running, and real speed-work with the racing bike, for over 100KM a session.

    This is on an almost total vegan diet, with a few free range eggs and (in the main) some cheese to spoil the purity. It’s just not necessary to eat meat – not even to have performance right at the top of athletics:

    https://www.mnn.com/food/healthy-eating/photos/9-superstar-athletes-who-dont-eat-meat/fueled-by-vegetables#top-desktop

    Sure it’s not as simple as meat=murder, but I don’t think causing animals to suffer just because of a lazy and often unthinking preference is very good either.

    But it’s all interesting, and I appreciate your thoughts on the subject. It’s good to reconsider once in a while.

  43. Glenn, my suspicion is gut fauna – I have heard that major advances are being made in that field, and about time too. You’ve been nearly vegan longer than me, more consistently and more continuously, so your gut population will have adapted. Additionally, there are signalling mechanisms from gut fauna to perceived cravings, and those will adapt over time too.

  44. I certainly don’t think that vegetarians are always weak and under-exercised; what I know of other people contradicts that, and you’re much more active than I am. But I do know that I get meat cravings when working at festivals; maybe it’s due to the increase in my body’s demands relative to the rest of my time, rather than absolute demand.

  45. Glen Do you still Practice Aikdo ?.. Impressive work outs.

    Ben.. Hope all well over there.. With the Fires Emergency n All.. Take Care.

  46. Brian: I’m afraid not. I stopped practicing Aikido when my Sensei became ill and then died from an incredibly rare affliction, the extremely early onset of amyloidosis (which normally is only a problem after hitting about 110 years of age – he was less than half that). It was an incredibly grim period in my life, when I lost my dear father, a friend of over 30 years I regarded as a brother to alcoholism, my work partner of a decade to cancer, a much loved uncle to a heart attack, and also my Sensei in a period of just 18 months, starting in 2013.

    After that I retreated somewhat, and kept by with just running for several years. Picked up with workouts and cycling again in mid 2017 upon moving to Holland – regained them in full intensity as that year picked up steam. But not the martial arts again, I’m afraid. Losing my Sensei like that… never quite got back to it.

    I do recommend stone-cold showers, though. You get used to them as the year wears on, and they get increasingly cold, so by the middle of winter you’re well braced to it. There’s something elemental about very cold showers, you both hate it and look forward to it. We live close to the sea, a ten minute walk away. I plan to swim every day of the year, maybe starting 2020. When the change is gradual, you adapt, and toughen up to it. I hope so anyway!

  47. So why is Joe Biden sinking like a rock in water in Democratic polling for the party’s candidate in the 2020 presidential election?

    Despite media attempts to hide his role in national security and personal family matters, the public doesn’t believe what he did as Vice President in deep state relations regarding the killing of Osama bin Laden, the nuclearizing of North Korea by making quakes which look like nuclear tests, and the killing of John P. Wheeler et al. as if he was working for Iran.

    Joe’s non-involvement in Ukrainian internal affairs is simply not believed.

    His role and that of his family; especially Delaware Attorney General Beau, in the murder and attempted disappearance of Wheeler’s body still remains to be exposed.

  48. Brian: We seem to be spared from the current wind event and so fires are less a concern. Wealthy neighborhoods under attack by SOCAL Edison utility poles however.

  49. Wouldn’t it be nice if the fires got the Reagan LIbrary, the source of many of CA’s problems.

    Hope the smoke doesn’t bother you Ben since you have poor lungs and already smoke the weed.

  50. Glenn
    “I’ve never heard a sensible argument against free range eggs”

    How about these?

    -Beaks removed by hot knife or laser in first days of life
    -Hens killed at 18 months when past most productive
    -All males killed immediately at breeding centres
    -9 hens per m2 nesting and16 weeks locked inside

  51. The photographic evidence of the killing of AL-Baghdadi is totally unconvincing – e.g.., it took pace at night, yet we are shown at high altitude a photo of a mass of men advancing on the compound, the man killed is apparently a double whose underwear they stole, not the wobbly cleric who addressed Mosul after its capture by IS, the victim was buried at sea so no one can check his identity and DNA, and the AF conveniently blew up the whole site so no one can check the incredible story.

    Only fascists could engage in such make-believe.

  52. Phil, aren’t those arguments against capitalism, centralisation and commercial secrecy rather than free range eggs?

  53. Slaughter, maiming and imprisonment are no barrier to EU free range accreditation. These are very much the reality of free range.

  54. I keep hens.

    My hens are communist.

    I have some ducks as well.

    Their eggs are delicious, better than anything in the shops.

  55. Glen
    That was a Very testing period for you.. In such a short time.. Sorry to hear of all that sadness.

    It’s good that Running and Cycling helped keep you going.

    I had a lot of Pain too For Many years after my wife left..I had already been Running, Cycling, Mountain Walking, and Playing Five a Side Football.. but Art and Poetry helped me through some of the hurt.. Then my Jiu jitsu came along..

    I do agree with you on Cold showers .. I use too allways take a cold shower after Playing Five a Sides.. Very Re-Invigorating indeed.

    Keep up the workouts..And I hope the swimming is a Success.

    One of the Artworks that helped take my mind off things..it’s my living room wall.. at about 8 feet, by 5 feet in size

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/25820264836/in/dateposted-friend/

  56. My nephew Bart Brownell has a beautiful pictorial history of Little Compton, R.I. in which the invasion of the Reds of Rhode Island occurred in the 19th century.

    Sounds like a perfect pre-industrial, corporate agriculture where they had free run of the place, and were only raised for eggs.They had their own little huts, and they were moved when the droppings built up. There was no trafic to worry about.

    They were all gone by the century’s end as profitable agriculture took over, and guess Fred got some of the survivors.

  57. Yes, that does sound like a tough period Glenn. Sorry missed it beneath your fitness regime. But cold showers is hardcore. I thought about trying one after reading your post but couldn’t bring myself to even step in.

  58. Fred –

    ” Yes I had the urge for a cold shower as well. I had to have sex until it went away. ”

    A Bit Torpid that.. Do you think that Athletes Like Myself and Glen Lie.

    Grow up

  59. Someone mentioned on here a while back that a cold shower before bed results in a much better sleep. Certainly works for me, although I only have a cold shower now and again.

  60. I did, repeating my brother’s advice about what to eat and when, and the importance of exercise.

    Of course, it all depends on your health. I have breathing problems from my cancer treatment apparently, and cannot afford gratuitous exercise or I shall collapse.

    As for cold showers, I still haven’t tried one. and the difference between 60’s and 40’s is frightening. I remember swimming in the Atlantic in January while in prep school.

  61. Is the US special forces capturing Abu AL-Baghdadi’s sister still looking for the real one, hoping that she might know where he is, or he will somehow try to get in contact with her after all the fairy tales we have been told?

  62. Glenn, I’d never heard of it; “the search engine that plants trees”. It seems like a good idea; I’ll start using it to try out its search results, and I’ll look up Ecosia (using a variety of search engines including their own!) to investigate their business practices.

  63. Yes, excellent news Phil 🙂 Possibly even compensation for arrestees.

    I almost feel sorry for the Met. George Monbiot made a big fuss about draconian powers, but in fact the cops didn’t molest the enormous People’s Assembly at Trafalgar Square, and Monbiot had to sit in the road to get himself arrested – in front of loads of cameras, of course. I saw him on the way out of the nick while I was waiting for Steph – he was let out hours before anyone else. He recognised me from the previous Wednesday in St James’ Park, but he still wouldn’t spare any time to speak with me. His loss; I had an excellent scoop for him.

  64. Torrents of meltwater pour from the Greenland ice cap, sweltering under a 15C temperature anomaly. Daily ice losses on this scale are 50 years ahead of schedule: they were forecast in the climate models for 2070. A paper in Geophysical Research Letters reveals that the thawing of permafrost in the Canadian High Arctic now exceeds the depths of melting projected by scientists for 2090.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/07/fossil-fuel-lobby-pollute-politics-climate-crisis

  65. He did recognise and acknowledge me – I had tried to speak with him the previous Wednesday after his lecture at the Global Justice tent in St James’ Park – but he again claimed to have no time. But he did have time; he hung around for half an hour, in which some young man turned up and collected his bag. Fair enough; he was stressed out after being nicked.

    And it isn’t really his fault; celebrity is just another symptom of the toxic system. Celebrity kills. It killed Jimmy Hendrix and I only just missed being on the periphery when it killed Amy Winehouse. I’ve seen it give people serious drug habits.

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