The General Discussion Thread

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Okay as an experiment here it is. Discuss your favourite generals here!

Well perhaps… Really this is simply the place to post news-items, fun-items or whatever takes your fancy. In short just post what you want here.

It’s just another wee experiment – comments welcome.

Squonk.

[Image: General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett (Stephen Fry)]

17,284 thoughts on “The General Discussion Thread

  1. Node, if you’re on pre-mod you should see your comments with a notice prefixed “Your comment is awaiting moderation”. Comments disappearing upon submission usually indicates a spam filter problem, but since you received a moderation warning it seems likely that your credentials have been added to the comment blacklist rather than the pre-mod list. That could be a mistake; the two interfaces look very similar but for their titles. Your comments would then go straight to Trash, so the moderator who did it wouldn’t necessarily see them and might think you’d stopped posting.

  2. Node, you could try a posting a comment under a username and e-mail alias, with an explanation of who you are and why. Strictly that would be sock-puppetry, but understandable if your credentials have ended up on the wrong list.

    I suppose it’s not impossible that there’s a temporary moderation rule in force, seeing as covid-19 denial costs lives. I would have; some things are too important.

  3. So that’s Phil, Glenn and Node banned now.

    Not bad for a blog that campaigns for freedom of speech.

  4. Tomorrow is bin day, and I see that my neighbours have socially distanced their wheelie bins from their front garden hedge, spot on the regulation two metre out into the track. This is new, and above and beyond the call of duty in my opinion.

  5. Well Phil was frequently personally offensive to Craig and left spontaneously anyway, we don’t know what’s happened to Node yet, and Glenn’s ban may have been rescinded by now, so probably no need to panic, eh? But oh! how much better the world would be if only Craig were more like Fred, eh?

    I’m really not sure that free speech should extend to encouraging people to deny the threat of deadly viruses.

  6. The likelihood that Joe Biden will be the next POTUS, but where it will end up is anyone’s guess that one doesn’t know whether to join it or even vote for it.

    I certainly don’t expect to be asked to join it or even vote for it.

    It is becoming such a mixture of old-style Chicago Democratic machine politics, past or present office holders like Senator Elizabeth Warren and Former secretary of State Madeleine Albright, and covert operators though one doesn’t know where to start. Seems that the dirty relation between Biden and Obama remaining secret is the key.

    Will Biden keep secret making quakes for Obama in North Korea look like nuclear tests, murders in the USA of apparent troublemakers over Iran’s condition or nuclear ambitions seem like random acts or suicides, or murders overseas acts to be boasted about?

    Will Obama’s attempts to resist Republican wars, and make Biden look like an honest, nice, truthful guy be exposed to be untrue as he tries to make out the same about himself in becoming the next UN Secretary General?

  7. Clark – if someone throws me out of a club, I’m not just going to return the next week with my tail between my legs, hoping they’ll be good enough to let me in again. Being kicked out terminates a relationship IMHO. Or even threatening same, for that matter.

  8. First they came for the Anarchist and I did not speak out because I was not an Anarchist…

  9. Node, it isn’t that you’re posting mostly insults and ad-hominen with a bit of cherry-picking thrown in is it?

  10. Glenn, from my moderating experience, different commenters behave in different ways, and your way isn’t typical. Conspiracy theorists especially seem to try every technical disguise they can think of to get past a ban and back into Craig’s club! I suppose they must think they have something vitally important to tell the sheeple.

  11. Glad to see that I won’t see my relief check signed by Big Mouth Trump. My tax fixer had the money returned with my refund, sent directly to my bank. Otherwise I would have signed it, and given it to one unemployed beggar.

  12. Control freaks rule their blogs with Caesarean impulse.

    Marcy Wheeler of EMPTYWHEEL allows her administrators to divulge their sanguine protocols with verve and great enthusiasm.

    Leftists are the worst of all anti-speech hypocrites and they should daily be reminded.

    Watch the Death of Stalin and reveal the thin skin of Leftism.

    https://m.imdb.com/title/tt4686844/

  13. This exchange between Node and moderation cropped up at Craig’s on the forum Node was attempting to post on:
    – – – – – – – – – –

    Node April 15, 2020 at 09:34 #51818

    Am I banned? I’ve had a comment in moderation for 12 hours.

    { Mod: No. However, your comments will be held in moderation until you learn how to contribute without smearing and insulting others, impugning moderation, or misrepresenting data. The discussion forum is intended to serve debate, not to swerve it.

    Moreover the disease is “Covid”, not “Corvid” (which would imply a type of bird flu). ]

  14. https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/news/2020/deaths-involving-covid-19-week-15-6th-to-12th-april

    Deaths involving COVID-19, Week 15 – 6th to 12th April

    As at 12th April, 962 deaths have been registered in Scotland where COVID-19 was mentioned in the death certificate, according to statistics published by National Records of Scotland (NRS) today.

    Between 6th April to 12th April, 608 deaths relating to COVID-19 have been registered, up from 282 deaths in the previous week, 30th March to 5th April.

    To place these statistics in context, the total number of deaths registered in Scotland from to 6th April to 12th April was 1,969. The average number of deaths registered in the same week over the last five years was 1,100. Registered deaths involving COVID-19 from 6th April to 12th April accounted for 31% of all deaths registered in that week.

  15. Biden is the most unimpressive candidate to be POTUS, especially now.

    Instead of dealing with the average person’s sense of insecurity in their growing isolation and lack of decent future, he goes on about Trump’s denial of responsibility for almost everything.

    He should talk about increasing the average minimum wage from about $11/per hour to over $!5/per hour, getting universal cheap health care, getting rid of the debit economy where persons with no secure income can buy unnecessary items like new cars on starting most favorable terms which they have little likelihood of paying, getting rid of college and medical debt on acceptable terms, dealing with home physical abuse during times like now, stop the educational system being little more than keeping difficult kids for several hours, etc.

    He cannot see most people’s real problems, and offer anything for getting out of them.

  16. Google translated.

    https://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/350187-ecuador-muertes-promedio-mensual-guayas-coronavirus

    Ecuador confirms a gap of 5,700 deaths in Guayas, the province most hit by the coronavirus in the South American country

    Some 6,703 people died in the first 15 days of April 2020 in Guayas , the Ecuadorian province hardest hit by the coronavirus pandemic, reported Jorge Wated, president of BanEcuador and designated as leader of the Joint Task Force for the management of those killed in Guayaquil, capital of this entity.

    Wated stated that the average number of monthly deaths in this province is 2,000; that is, approximately 1,000 deaths in 15 days, so there was an increase of around 5,700 deaths.

    …To date, in Guayas, according to these official figures, only 187 people have died from coronavirus .

  17. Mod –> Node : “…However, your comments will be held in moderation until you learn how to contribute without smearing and insulting others, impugning moderation, or misrepresenting data. The discussion forum is intended to serve debate, not to swerve it.

    There you go Node – all you need to do is stop being so offensive, be a lot more honest and less slippery. Bit of an ask for someone like you, but with some real effort, do you reckon you could manage it?

  18. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/04/16/national/japan-nationwide-state-of-emergency/

    Japan declares nationwide state of emergency amid coronavirus spread

    Prime Minister Shinzo Abe expanded a state of emergency to cover the whole country on Thursday in an attempt to prevent the further spread of the new coronavirus, a government official said Thursday.

    The prime minister declared the broader state of emergency during an evening meeting of the government task force dealing with the COVID-19 pandemic held at the Prime Minister’s Office.

  19. Biden apparently thinks that getting Obama’s endorsement will win the election for him with the vast majority of Afro-Americans voting for him. It is no longer that predictable. He has to take some risks to get their vote.

  20. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/stockholm/region-stockholm-om-laget-just-nu-i-sjukvarden

    Stockholm Region: “Refrain from public transport”

    The number of infected covid-19 in Stockholm continues to increase. On Thursday, 216 new cases were reported and during the region’s press conference, the Stockholmers were invited to continue staying at home.

    The deaths due to the corona virus are now up to 795 in Stockholm County and the number of infected infected is 5,206. The Stockholm region held a press conference on Thursday on the state of the care that is very strained.

    The storm we have been talking about continues to blow with force, says Health and Medical Director Björn Eriksson

    …He concludes with requests to the Stockholmers:

    – Continue to work remotely if possible, continue to keep distance in the grocery store, continue to refrain from traveling by public transport if possible, continue to postpone dinner and parties, continue to postpone the visit to the elderly. Hold on and hold out. I continue to hope for the best but plan for the worst.

  21. Node,

    Just a reminder, you are not on pre-mod here and your comments are still welcome generally. I’ll likely delete links quoting stuff (especially links) I’ve already looked at and found fault with. I’m not infallible, but it is my blog.

    I’m not some nasty fascist, I’ve just looked at the data and come to a conclusion differing from yours.

    I’m sorry I once suggested the “remote” possibility you could be game playing, and accept the evidence suggests your views are genuine.

  22. Now I see that Boris Johnson has taken over the Queen’s ceremonial function by recognizing Captain Tom Moore for the millions of pounds he raised for the NHS. I wonder if it will be a year’s supply of Bozo’s Broth.

    The guy is a king who can do no wrong.

  23. Squonk: I don’t think you’ve got much to apologise for. If you’re trying to put out a message on your own blog backed up with numerous sources of credible data, and someone is determined to hammer out highly dubious points to undermine it, you’re entitled to be annoyed and suspicious.

    Particularly when those denialists have a record for quackery, ludicrous conspiracy peddling, and are obstinate about facts to such a degree, it’s clear they have an aversion to the truth. Being highly selective about data specifically chosen, shoe-horned and stove-piped for the explicit purpose of indicating “nothing to see here!” , playing up the credentials of publicity seeking hucksters, charlatans and snake-oil salesmen – all this is rank dishonesty. Not something you should be more indulgent about, and definitely not apologising for doubting its sincerity.

  24. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/879710/National_influenze_report_16_April_2020_week_16.pdf

    Summary of UK surveillance of influenza and other seasonal respiratory illnesses 16 April 2020 –Week 16 report (up to week 15 data)

    Outbreak Reporting

    824 acute respiratory outbreaks have been reported in week 15(Figure 2).

    770 outbreaks were from care homes where 446 tested positive for SARS-CoV-2and 1 tested positive for influenza A(not subtyped).

    31 outbreaks were from hospitals where 27 tested positive for SARS-CoV-2.

    23 outbreaks were from the Other Settings category where 12 tested positive for SARS-CoV-2.

    All-cause mortality surveillance

    In week 15 2020 in England, statistically significant excess mortality by week of death above the upper 2 z-score threshold was seen overall, by age group in the 15-64 and 65+ year olds and sub nationally (all ages) in all regions (North East, North West, Yorkshire & Humber, East & West Midlands, East of England, London and South East & West regions after correcting GRO disaggregate data for reporting delay with the standardised EuroMOMO algorithm (Figure 7). This data is provisional due to the time delay in registration; numbers may vary from week to week.

  25. Squonk, I regard that as very generous of you toward Node, who repeatedly accused you of deliberate deception in pursuit of an agenda.

  26. The Bumpkin Cult of Death keeps pushing back on the shutdown fearing their single issue, the Economy, is suffering too much…

    I think they should all Party at a FEMA camp and enjoy infecting each other. It seems fair because their Civil Rights are paramount to my own.

  27. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S2

    Based on National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) mortality surveillance data available on April 16, 2020, 11.9% of the deaths occurring during the week ending April 11, 2020 (week 15) were due to P&I. This percentage is above the epidemic threshold of 7.0% for week 15.

    Although that down-turn at the end looks encouraging, I note that last week’s report had data for Week 13 but this week’s report uses partial data to report week 15. Week 14 is now reported “complete” at 12.9% but only if you dig into the data.

    It is also likely that increased testing means more of the deaths may be explicitly classified as Covid-19 rather than generic pneumonia deaths.

    It could be a genuine “lockdown” downturn though but we need the complete data rather than a partial estimate. Not sure why they have suddenly changed the way they report the data.

  28. Earth’s gravity is pulling them in. Four kilometres per second, increasing all the time. They’re less than one Earth diameter out now.

  29. Over 7 kilometre per second now.

    I’d link Earthbound by King Crimson, but “blocked in your country”; I should nag at Fripp about this.

  30. Don’t know what Glenn_uk is going on about.

    There is no evidence that Node has been banned by Craig Murray’s blog as there are well over a dozen posts by him on Craig’s latest thread. I didn’t read them, so I am in no position how insulting they are, as I consider him an unreliable source.

    What Squonk has done with his posts here is his business to comment about.

    I am still banned by CM, as my efforts disappear as soon as I try to post them there, so I have given up trying to correct the thin-skinned, unreliable narcissist.

  31. See you all after splashdown; I’m going full-screen on the +50 year livestream, and this site takes half a minute to load each page these days, and then another to get back to the current page due to the bug, and a lot happens each minute at 9 kilks per sec.

  32. JOML, thanks for that. Brilliant. I’ve posted it to Chelmsford Extinction Rebellion chat stream, asking for a guitarist; I have the right hair to do the lead vocal.

  33. It’s half past six in the morning (edit: when I started writing this, originally as an e-mail to a friend), and I have been tossing and turning in bed for some time, for the third night in a row. I have had some rather vivid dreams.

    I’m on holiday, travelling in a car with two friends. I’m in the front passenger seat, and I have an Extinction Rebellion flag, displayed outside the car by closing the passenger door window upon the cane it is attached to. I call out our destination, and the driver takes a slip road.

    We’re entering an industrial area; our car seems increasingly dwarfed by big trucks and tall buildings, and I realise that it’s the old Chernobyl power station, the site of the nuclear disaster. I check with the driver, and indeed I’ve said ‘Chernobyl’ by mistake. I’d meant to call out the name of an airfield for light aircraft, but I’d said ‘Chernobyl’ and here we are. Oh well, an interesting place to visit…

    Approaching, I feel certain that we’ll be stopped by the uniformed security. I’m concerned about having to open the car window to explain what we’re doing here and show identification, and in doing so catching covid-19. But the security man seems to understand my hand signals that I’d rather not open the window; he just waves us through without even requesting identification papers. I’m very puzzled but suddenly I understand; the site is now a thriving and very friendly visitor centre. Apart from stuff that has been preserved, everything is bright and clean.

    Inside the main building the exhibits are of seventeenth century agricultural life, which seems odd. One exhibit I find is clearly supernatural; it is a smiling, living, but stylised stone head growing out of the ground in a concrete piss gully on the floor on the left in the main corridor. It is clearly alive and responsive to me. Usually supernatural things in dreams would frighten me and wake me up – and I did wake up, but calm and happy, and in an inspired mood. The head was human but like a friendly dog. I squatted down and spoke to it, and touched its long nose, and it smiled at me and poked back with its nose, like a dog.

    I have The Comet is Coming on the brain again; this one:

    Channel The Spirits (2016)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXH5nv1aQpw

    Thank God for covid-19. Of course I don’t want the deaths; it might yet kill me and it probably will kill some of my friends, but it has greatly reduced noise, traffic, pollution and the constant frantic shopping, and it is making people keep their distance in public instead of the usual jostling. It is giving me time to think and write, and it is exposing the lies and liars. It is a shame that it has taken such a threat to achieve these things, but threat seems to have become the only thing that many people respect.

    There; I have said the unspeakable. I didn’t want a disaster, but we were hurtling for a crash by our own volition anyway until covid-19 applied the brakes. Fifty years on from Apollo 13 but almost nothing has been achieved; just war after war, everyone’s a stranger, fiction has displaced fact, there’s fifty times as much shopping and the oceans are now full of plastic waste. It’s like War of the Worlds, but us humans were the wreckers of our own planet until it protected itself with microorganisms.

  34. Ah yes, Chernobyl, that was a huge disaster for the environment.

    Luckily we didn’t have internet in those days or Craig Murray would have found some way to blame it on the British government.

  35. Yes, nuclear disasters are caused by competition between national governments.

    People like you Fred take a side in that competition. That’s what makes you a nationalist.

    The Chernobyl contamination area is now a nature reserve, and a site of high biodiversity and thus scientific special interest, because the contamination has protected the nature there from human activity.

  36. “People like you Fred take a side in that competition. That’s what makes you a nationalist.”

    I didn’t call you names.

  37. Is the USA on the verge of an armed uprising, triggered by the reckless opposition to the restrictions to the stay-at- home orders, and the likelihood of Trump losing the November presidential election?

    The armed, mobile rioters could spring into actin at a moments’ notice.

    Don’t forget that Trump is a fascist, and we are in a new world.

  38. Yes Trow but on the plus side this was the first March they didn’t have a school shooting since 2002.

  39. The icnarc figures and graphs presumably show that the social restrictions and personal precautions are working. The effect can be seen on the following page too, though overall deaths seem to be stabilising rather than falling:

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

    There are two major caveats:

    * OK, so social restrictions hold it back, but how do we get out of this? There doesn’t seem to be an answer yet, and SARS-CoV-2 is a coronavirus; successful vaccines haven’t been developed for other coronaviruses.

    * “Critical workers” have higher social exposure, this includes staff who meet the public, eg. shop workers. If it starts transmitting through this sector, there would likely be other outbreaks and the numbers could return to rising fast.

  40. The number of tests, either serological or/and blood plasma ones, needed are just too many now for any part of the country to be opened with any kind of safety, so Trump will be starting it asap.

    So Biden must come up with some kind of progressive policies just to keep up.

  41. Pb,

    Rather than look at numbers pulled out of a spreadsheet with ignored columns to produce a chart that doesn’t exist in their current summary.

    How about a chart that does exist

    https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/c9b491af-ea80-ea11-9124-00505601089b

    Admissions to critical care

    Of the 5578 patients, 2936 have outcomes reported and 2642 patients were last reported as still receiving critical care (Figure 3).

    You cannot deduce that there have been no or very few recent deaths when there is a reporting lag which seems even longer than usual right now for some patients.

    As 2,642 were in in critical care as last known status, a number of them will sadly be dying every day. 681 patient are listed as currently delayed data.

  42. Pb,

    I am not getting into endless arguments with you over data you do not understand.

    There are many reasons that report doesn’t capture all deaths. It is not for me to explain subset data when we have actual excess death totals plus numbers of confirmed plus strongly suspected.

    It would be for you to explain the actual excess death counts now seen everywhere badly hit.

    But I’m not going round in circles with you on this.

    It does concern me though that if I had non-confirmed covid (as the vast majority of cases are) I would be advised to self-isolate. If my condition suddenly went downhill, I wouldn’t have a chauffeur driven car to whisk me to hospital and you can go from moderate to critical very rapidly.

    In care homes the situation is much worse.

  43. Excess deaths ytd 3rd April (ONS) compared with last 5 years averaged

    Up 162

    When comparing 2020 to 2108

    Down 1,997

    But hey feel free to delete the ICNARC figures because they don’t fit with what you want to believe.

    But ask yourself did you delete those ICNARC data charts? Be honest, at least with yourself.

    They show something that you deny and refuse to debate.

    I’m afraid you know I understand the data very well, just as you do but I accept it for what it is, you hide from it.

  44. I’m going to repeat this as you don’t seem to have read it.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/879710/National_influenze_report_16_April_2020_week_16.pdf

    Summary of UK surveillance of influenza and other seasonal respiratory illnesses 16 April 2020 –Week 16 report (up to week 15 data)

    Outbreak Reporting

    824 acute respiratory outbreaks have been reported in week 15(Figure 2).

    770 outbreaks were from care homes where 446 tested positive for SARS-CoV-2and 1 tested positive for influenza A(not subtyped).

    31 outbreaks were from hospitals where 27 tested positive for SARS-CoV-2.

    23 outbreaks were from the Other Settings category where 12 tested positive for SARS-CoV-2.

    All-cause mortality surveillance

    In week 15 2020 in England, statistically significant excess mortality by week of death above the upper 2 z-score threshold was seen overall, by age group in the 15-64 and 65+ year olds and sub nationally (all ages) in all regions (North East, North West, Yorkshire & Humber, East & West Midlands, East of England, London and South East & West regions after correcting GRO disaggregate data for reporting delay with the standardised EuroMOMO algorithm (Figure 7). This data is provisional due to the time delay in registration; numbers may vary from week to week.

  45. Oh and the Scottish one as well.

    https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/news/2020/deaths-involving-covid-19-week-15-6th-to-12th-april

    Deaths involving COVID-19, Week 15 – 6th to 12th April

    As at 12th April, 962 deaths have been registered in Scotland where COVID-19 was mentioned in the death certificate, according to statistics published by National Records of Scotland (NRS) today.

    Between 6th April to 12th April, 608 deaths relating to COVID-19 have been registered, up from 282 deaths in the previous week, 30th March to 5th April.

    To place these statistics in context, the total number of deaths registered in Scotland from to 6th April to 12th April was 1,969. The average number of deaths registered in the same week over the last five years was 1,100. Registered deaths involving COVID-19 from 6th April to 12th April accounted for 31% of all deaths registered in that week.

  46. Coronavirus: Care home deaths ‘far higher’ than official figures

    New data has added to growing evidence that the number of deaths linked to coronavirus in UK care homes may be far higher than those recorded so far.

    The National Care Forum (NCF) estimates that more than 4,000 elderly and disabled people have died across all residential and nursing homes.

    Its report comes amid calls for accurate data on virus-linked deaths.

    Only 217 such care home deaths have been officially recorded in England and Wales up to 3 April

    …It collected data from care homes looking after more than 30,000 people in the UK, representing 7.4% of those people living in one of the country’s thousands of care settings.

    It said that, across those specific homes, in the week between 7 April and 13 April, there had been 299 deaths linked to coronavirus. That was treble the figure for the previous week and double that in the whole of the preceding month.

    There’s 4,000 of the excess deaths for a start that never made it near Intensive Care.

  47. So social distancing is now communism. And I was always taught that they were the fuckers.

  48. Missed the even worse estimates.

    Separately, analysis from Care England, which represents large care home providers in England, claims that there have been 7,500 more deaths in care home – from all causes – in the last two weeks than would be expected at this time of year.

    And modelling by the health consultancy, Candesic, for the Financial Times, suggested the number of deaths due to the epidemic in UK care homes was at least 6,000.

  49. Here’s another actual chart from the actual icnarc report. Looking more closely the outstanding delayed data is worse than I thought. About 1,500 cases do not have current treatment or outcome data despite over 10 days since admission. There’s clearly a big backlog and many of them are presumably dead but not yet recorded in icnarc system.

  50. So why have we had to wait all this long for Obama to say about the importance of Joe Biden being in the White House?

    Why didn’t he say it himself? Tongue tied because of all the dirty bits?

    Will he have Obama make the tougher decisions when he can’t?

  51. Trowbridge: Remember Jackie Robinson? Do you know why he was chosen as first Black to play in the all white MLB league? Because he could handle being spat upon and heckled by baseball fans.

    Obama was Jackie Robinson but what we needed was Cassius Clay.

  52. What I can tell you Clark is the government is now reporting number of antibody tests done (Pillar 4) in their daily reports. Unfortunately they don’t tell us the results.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-scaling-up-testing-programmes/coronavirus-covid-19-scaling-up-our-testing-programmes

    The fourth pillar is surveillance. We are conducting some of the biggest surveys in the world to find out what proportion of the population have already had the virus. This is done using a high accuracy antibody test operated by Public Health England at their Porton Down science campus.

    In Pillar 4 yesterday there were 377 tests with no results given. Cumulative Pillar 4 total 4,287 again with the results left blank. See https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public

  53. Since the end of February, we have established a national surveillance programme for population blood testing, using a high accuracy antibody test operated by Public Health England at Porton Down, to find out what proportion of the population have had the virus.

    …We will also roll out a national mass population sample over the coming months. Participants will be invited to take part in a study involving at-home immunity testing every 4 weeks over a 6 to 12-month period. The aim is to enrol 16,000 to 20,000 people who will undergo repeat testing. This will add to the population data, as well as telling us about immunity and how long it lasts.

    I wonder if they’ll even tell us the results if we sign up for the “at-home” testing?

  54. Ben , do you remember the talk going around in2011-2 about Obama dropping Biden as his running mate, and going with Hillary?

    To save his position. Biden, who had committed all kinds of internal and foreign policy blunders, made the set-up of FBI resident Steve Ivens in Burbank into a Russian assassin of the POTUS from just being a local complainer of Boeing at its Bob Hope International Air Port by haVing him hunted down in the mountains east of Los Angeles three months later.

    The set-up had Clint Eastwood, a supporter of Romney, going wild to interview Obama after Ivens’s disappearance, and film directorTony Scoot jumping off the San Pedro bridge mainly because of George Clooney ‘s participation in the set-up.

    Biden stayed on the ticket.

    More complicated accounts can be made in his assassinations of John P.Wheeler and Gareth Williams murders.

    Is America without any memory these days.

  55. And thanks, Ben, for mentioning Cassius Clay better known as Muhammad Ali.

    I had forgotten a near office fight with mate James Horan after i had a letter in The Bangor( Maine) Day News supporting his opposition to be drafted in the Vietnam War.

    Horan called me a “N…..lover” which I took great offense to. Though a person who finds black people easier to deal with than most whites, I don’t love any race indiscriminately.

    After leaving the University of Maine for just that school year, I read that Horan was killed in an auto wreck — good riddance.

    Perhaps this was what caught Toni Morrison’e eye for recognition, and my name appearing on some monument for people promoting tolerance in Montgomery..

  56. One good thing about the pandemic is that it has cut way back on the Anglo-American, NATO fun and games.

  57. @Trowbridge : Is that why Eastwood make a fool of himself, interviewing an empty chair (to which he pretended to address questions for Obama), during the Romney V Obama Presidential campaign?

  58. Yes, but what else could he do?

    Ask or charge the POTUS of staging a fake assassination attempt to ensure his re-election?

    And what about poor Ivens who was cruelly murdered for just trying to stop a mammoth fraud?

  59. Do you know, I’m sick of humans. 99% of them do nothing but lie. SARS-CoV-2, kill the fucking lot of us.

  60. I slept all right, but I’ve woken up with a slight headache. I had another one of those dreams.

    I was back in my parents’ house (my adoptive parents’ house – I’ve never knowingly met a genetic relative), the house I grew up in, but I wasn’t a child. I was with the two faceless friends of the previous Chernobyl / living stone head dream. In neither dream have I seen these two, but they’re a couple, one male, one female. They were my visitors; we hadn’t been there long, we hadn’t sat down yet, I was sort of but not exactly showing them around, sort of settling in. I felt I was in familiar surroundings, but I didn’t feel at home, but then we were in the front room which was hardly ever used unless there were visitors and I never really felt at home there – the slightly smaller and less well kept back room was the “living room”.

    We were just sort of mooching, me pointing things out before we would all have sat down, when I glimpsed a small animal moving under what my mother always called the sideboard; I think this sort of furniture is usually called a dresser, maybe a welsh dresser. I immediately suspected it was a rat, but I felt a bit incredulous. But almost immediately the female of my friends pointed and said ‘rat’. It didn’t really strike me there and then, but it wasn’t grey; its fur was a lovely golden sandy colour.

    I felt I had to catch it; you can’t leave rats in a house, they’re destructive and spread disease. Spotting one means a problem ‘cos they’re clever and hard to catch. It came out from under the sideboard again, a bit further to the right this time. It wasn’t really doing anything, it didn’t seem to be hiding under the sideboard, it was just mooching about like it was quite at home. It looked quite easy to catch, and I thought I could just reach out and catch it, but I hesitated; rats will inflict a nasty bite and you’re likely to get infected. I thought I’d have to get a trap (which would kill it), but that seemed a lot of hassle and delay, so for some reason and against my better judgement I just grabbed it, swiftly and firmly, but gently, and to my own surprise I successfully got hold it around its front. My intention had been to get it close enough to its front that it couldn’t get its head around and bite me, but I had been very doubtful that this would work; rats are agile and swift. But I had it, and it didn’t even try. It wasn’t struggling.

    I can’t remember when in the dream the other rat turned up, but I, or we, had caught two rats now. The second one was a glossy chocolate brown colour. Neither were struggling, and one of us (humans), I think it was me, suggested that they must be pets. Singular and plural are all muddled at this point in the dream; I was definitely holding the first rat, and the other was captive in someone’s hand too, but I have little sense of who was holding it, or even whether there was any distinction between myself and the other people present.

    So I relaxed my grip and flattened my hand(s?) out palm up with the rat(s?) on it (them?). Both rats just sat there, making no attempt to escape, noses and whiskers twitching. So we started treating them as pets, talking to them and stroking their fur. They were in beautiful condition, but there was no conceivable place that two pet rats could have come from; it felt mysterious, rather magical. They were responsive and communicative; they made eye contact, they were friendly. So I think one of us got them milk and something to eat.

    And that’s all of the dream that I remember.

  61. I felt angry when I woke up, but writing out my dream seems to have helped. I have discovered that one of my ‘friends’ (is anyone really a friend?) is a shameless liar. Well they claim to feel shame, now they’ve been caught lying, but of course that could be just another lie.

    What a gross insult it is to the creator, to That Which Creates, to lie. To be gifted and blessed with language, the power to communicate, but to use it to deceive for advantage.

    The trouble is that lying confers advantage. Those who will do so have advantage over those who will not. Knowledge confers power. False beliefs and inaccurate information confer disadvantage.

    But there’s a downside that isn’t so widely recognised. The best communication is possible only between equals, and deception creates inequality of information.

    So deception confers short-term advantage, but with long-term loss. Exactly the principle of the Toxic System.

    Extinction Rebellion Principle One:

    We have a shared vision of change;
    – making a world fit for generations to come.

    I can’t emphasise this enough. This is our first principle, the most important of the lot. It’s future-looking.

    I’m not going to kill myself today. But I consider it every day. And maybe I am doing wrong by staying alive. No matter what my efforts, the deception proliferates, polluting information. My attempts to counter it seem increasingly futile. If I can make no progress I’d be doing better to eliminate my demand upon Earth’s resources.

    Go, go, go, SARS-CoV-2! Cleanse this beautiful planet. Cleanse it of the species that has made an art of deception. “The meek shall inherit the Earth”, and you can’t get any more meek than a virus.

  62. Due to the fact that Joe Biden , former POTUS Barack Obama. his former campaign manager Jim Messina, and Barack;s former chief of staff Denis McDonough et al. were still on the scene, and trying to regain the White House dwelling on one;’s personal experience seems most uncalled for.

    The coming confrontation between Trump and Biden will be the most vicious in US history.

  63. Hardly surprising that David Rohde; Deep State is appearing now, and it uses Trump’s idea about it to debunk the whole idea.

    The Deep State exists, and it is always led by some leading politician like Dick Nixon, G.h.W, Bush, or Joe Biden now.

    They put together an assembly of fellow politicians, important group of bureaucrats, reporters, mafia operators and news outlets to achieve what they want, like assassinating JFK, MLK or RFK; getting Carters to not venture out of the WhIte House so the Reagan’s people could arrange the ‘October Surprise’ and liberas would be so discouraged by what happened to Popes and John Lennon that Ronnie would get elected; and now what happened to various key politicians and intelligent agents so Biden could stay on as Obama’s successor.

    The Deep State is an important idea, not a fixed organization.
    :

  64. Node, Just a reminder, you are not on pre-mod here and your comments are still welcome generally. I’ll likely delete links quoting stuff (especially links) I’ve already looked at and found fault with. I’m not infallible, but it is my blog.
    I’m not some nasty fascist, I’ve just looked at the data and come to a conclusion differing from yours.
    I’m sorry I once suggested the “remote” possibility you could be game playing, and accept the evidence suggests your views are genuine.

    I popped over here to check something and noticed I’m not banned. Thank you Squonk, that is truly gracious of you considering I rather slammed the door on exit. I’ll take you up on your offer. I will try to be more diplomatic about expressing my views but I will not water them down. By way of a policy statement, here’s a comment I’ve recently posted on Craig’s in response to Clark demanding I should be censored.
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    Look, I don’t blame you or Squonk. You are scared and fighting for what you believe. I am scared for a different reason and fighting for what I believe. As I have explained to you before, I believe the world is run by an elite who appoint politicians, start wars, cause economic depressions, control continents, to further their aims. Their aim is always to increase their control of the world. It is done through control of the money supply. Call THEM the Banksters, for want of a better term. They own all the global corporations, the industrial military complex, the energy firms, utilities, global food chains, internet service providers, you name it.

    Now and again they pull off a big one – the recent bank bailout was a moderate one, it only gained them a few trillion. But it is not about money, it is about owning, ie controlling, the world’s resources. Money is just a tool to do that. I believe this pandemic ‘crisis’ is a big one, possibly THE big one. When it is over vast amounts of private property will have been transferred to their control, the biggest snatch in history.

    They are smashing the global economy. When it is over, every business will have gone bust – its assets defaulting to the banks or bought up cheap by the corporations – or at best they will be massively in debt to the banks. Independent traders and services gone, no competition, no choice but THEM. Every private individual will owe more and be worth less. Meanwhile our governments are borrowing trillions ‘on our behalf’.

    [I don’t expect anything but mockery for my belief that a secret elite runs the world, but you cannot dispute what I say about the effects of the pandemic – the biggest transfer of assets from the many to the few in the history of the world]

    And on top of all that, the Banksters have acquired unprecedented powers to suppress dissent, to maintain control as more and more people begin to realise what has happened – police state surveillance and control measures, all of them demanded by the very people who will be suppressed by them.

    You’re scared? I’m fucking terrified. I have every bit as much right as you to voice my concerns, so back off with your “Oh, Node, shut up with your dangerous opinions.” From my POV, you are the dangerous one, doing the Banksters work for them. But like I said, I understand where you’re coming from. Now you try and understand my position, and stop screaming for censorship.

  65. Node, can I take you got into a debt problem at some point?

    Finance has too much power, but the solution is for people to build genuine community and support each other. Power is not merely taken by the few; it is relinquished by the many; mass abdication of personal responsibility.

    When it is safe to congregate again, will you join those on the streets, defying power for the good of community? Will you help reclaim power from the few to the many?

  66. Oil has dropped below $12 a barrel, there is talk or oil prices going negative.

    Boy did we dodge a bullet in 2014.

  67. Yes of course the most powerful are best placed to capitalise upon any crisis. That is the nature of power itself.

    But how would you tell a real viral threat from a fake one? Or are viral threats impossible, and only banking matters? Tunnel vision.

  68. “Node, can I take you got into a debt problem at some point?”

    No. I have no mortgage, no HP, no overdraft, no credit card, I have never been in debt. Neither have I much in credit. I have never valued money. One of the best things that ever happened to me was I found a woman who didn’t value money either.

    But that doesn’t mean I don’t understand money. Beyond a certain point, money equates directly to power. If you own a third of the world valued at $1000 trillion when the world’s economy crashes, and afterwards you own two thirds of the world valued at $500 trillion, you haven’t lost $500 trillion, you’ve gained a third of the world.

  69. Yes of course the most powerful are best placed to capitalise upon any crisis. That is the nature of power itself.

    So do you agree that this unprecedented upheaval in the global economy will result in the biggest transfer of assets from the many to the few in the history of the world?

  70. “do you agree that this unprecedented upheaval in the global economy will result in the biggest transfer of assets from the many to the few in the history of the world?”

    I think it’s likely, though it isn’t a field I’m much skilled in. I add two caveats. Most assets may be destroyed or depleted in the crisis. And money only exists so long as the majority respect it. You can’t eat or drink it. It’s a conundrum; both the most valuable thing, and the most worthless simultaneously.

    But I’m far more interested in what action you recommend.

  71. Node, you seem unwilling to commit yourself.

    I asked. I’m not the only reader, and my opinion doesn’t really matter that much.

    How much do you value honesty, and what action do you recommend?

  72. I think it’s likely

    … and would you agree that most countries under lockdown, certainly including Britain, are using unprecedentedly intrusive tracking and surveillance techniques and unprecedented police powers of arrest to enforce unprecedented prohibitions of movement and meeting on civilians?

  73. “Node, how much do you value honesty?”

    Yes Node, how do you feel about people who tell everyone you are female?

  74. An old man goes for an interview and is asked what his biggest weakness is. He replies, “my honesty.”

    The interviewer immediately responds, “honesty isn’t a weakness!”

    The old man replies, “I don’t give a fuck what you think.”

  75. “Western Canadian Select (Processed oil sands) was actually trading negative last I saw. Minus $0.66 per barrel at one point.”

    West Texas crude just hit 10 cents.

  76. Node, how much do you value honesty?

    8.5 out of 10. I need to retain a little flexibility in case someone insists I answer a really stupid question, which of course yours isn’t.

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