The General Discussion Thread

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Okay as an experiment here it is. Discuss your favourite generals here!

Well perhaps… Really this is simply the place to post news-items, fun-items or whatever takes your fancy. In short just post what you want here.

It’s just another wee experiment – comments welcome.

Squonk.

[Image: General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett (Stephen Fry)]

17,127 thoughts on “The General Discussion Thread

  1. Become part of the Joe Biden charity, helping the good Catholic pay off what his brother Frank owe the Albano daughters. He owes them $1,000,000 for killing their father in a high speed, drunken car crash for which the Bidens have apparently done nothing up to now.

    With the POTUS salary Joe should be able to pay off the debt elected for just one term.

    We all owe the POTUS a helping hand no matter how big scum bags they are.

  2. Ben, is your FIL still struggling with plaque psoriasis?

    My brother, an oncologist, has recently taken my complaints about it seriously, inventing an ointment for it which works far better than anything I have found on the market or hematologists have recommended.

    Is apparently going to the FDA for approval, and will let you if it is, and how he can get it.

    Don’t know how my younger brother does it.

  3. Then there other military establishments named for Confederate generals, like Fort Hood and Polk.

    Then there are Union generals who should be considered to replace them besides the ones I have named like General Marshall, Bradley and Clark. Places with location names like Leavenworth, and Carlile Barracks should be named for someone who really took advantage of what they taught.

    And give the Pentagon a name instead of keeping the name of its shape, like Marshall Hall for a guy who finally learned the importance of making peace, like my Dad who was the highest ranking officer calling for ending the Vietnam nightmare.

    Then there are heroes after the Civil War who deserve being named for something, like Generals Pershing an Petraeus..

  4. Is Biden going to pick Susan Rice, Obama’s National Security Advisor, as this Vice President running mate to help keep the lid on the covert murders he conducted as Vice President, like those of John P. Wheeler, III, and FBI agent Steve Ivens?

  5. Trow – couldn’t agree with you more about the disgraceful naming of US military bases after defeated traitors. It would be like Germany having a “Hermann Göring” military centre, or Fort Bormann. I have not checked, but am 100% certain they have not named any such place in this manner.

  6. Thanks, Glenn. Talk about disgusting behavior. You should have been with my father and me when we attended the funeral in Waverley, Virginia of grand paw Henry Ford, there local hog farmer, not the automobile marker.

    I knew that my Dad was looking forward to seeing all the surviving relatives, having left the South for good as a teenage years before because of its vast institutionalization of the social position of the blacks.

    Can you believe they welcomed him as the Union General and a traitor come home! I thought we should kick the crap out of them but Dad didn’t think it appropriate for the funeral of his father. Wish someone from the Pentagon had attended to see the sacrifices he had made for joining the US Army.

  7. Gah, I can’t believe it, Trow. Only it’s only too believable!

    Your tributes here will make it a small, but observed part of history. I still think you should write a book about it though. You’ve put a number of pieces down here, perhaps they could be joined together to make a story about your old man – it’s certainly interesting enough as far as I’m concerned. It’s history about your country – it should not go unrecorded.

    Just my opinion, but you’re gifted with the ability to be articulate and to draw on plenty of historical perspective, together with the years not many of us can bring to the table. It’s a rare opportunity, please take advantage of it.

  8. You are probably right Glenn, and I should do something constructive now that I am getting my health back at age 90.

    Perhaps I can mix a portrait of him while dealing with us siblings who have all had most interesting lives despite or because we had such a screwed up, creative father.

    Dad started developing PTDS, post traumatic disorder syndrome, because of the crazy treatment of him by the Army, the only real home he was left with,resulting ultimately in his drinking himself to death. My sister became a most interesting English literature scholar, starting as a woman who disparately wanted to leave home in a family whose father thought a woman’s place was the home. She raised four children while becoming a controversial Ph.D.

    My older brother was secretly a successful computer expert. My younger brother is quite an inventive oncologist. And I have had the successful academic career I sought despite all the negative judgments by fellow scholars.

    And all the other relatives appear quite unwilling to do the job. I’ll keep working on it.

  9. Trowbridge, I second Glenn’s suggestion that you write about your dad.

    I wish I knew more about my (adoptive) dad, I think he did some good things too, but in very different fields.

  10. Other Confederate Generals named for US Army bases were A.P. HIll, Pickett who led the famous charge in Pennsylvania which apparently won it all, and Lee who apparently got Union General Grant to surrender at Appomatix.

    Rucker wasn’t included in the list of the famous ten because he was only a colonel in the Rebel Army which was most insulting to my Dad because he came along long after the war ended, and gave his base an up-to-date function in a modern army.

    Thanks Clark for backing Glenn’s suggestion, and will do it if I can stomach all this nonsense only suited for a Monty Python series.

  11. Biden has finally supported Senator Elizabeth Warren’s bipartisan commission to rename bases named for Confederate officers, something I support him for, and I consider myself uniquely qualified for being appointed to except for my insulting comments about it for allowing such conditions to exist.

    My father was living in Massachusetts, and teaching at its university in Amherst when his wife, my mother died, resulting in his going off the rails, ultimately killing himself.
    His remains are in a cemetery in Redding, in a slightly marked grave in a family plot. He was not offered apparently a plot in a recognized military one, and refused to be buried in just any old one.

    While it is too late for him to appreciate what is done for him, it at least would honor his historical legacy.

  12. Protests in Mexico find native Indians pulling down conquistador statues.

    This is worthy protest whose only violence is metaphorical.

    Good on them. Hernan Cortes was a motherfucking bastard.

  13. How about Braxton Bragg, the namesake of Fort Bragg; who fought in the Mexican-American War (1846-8) to be from sea to shining sea which helped achieve Manifest Destiny, and acted as Rebel President Jefferson Davis’ chief military advisor during the Civil War?

  14. Trow : Further to publication of your book, may I respectfully suggest you keep writing various episodes and – as we read them here – you can sort them to be placed in it as you see fit. But the important thing is to get them down.

    It struck me when you mentioned your age – 90! – that you’re the living memory of these times. Nobody else witnessed or was told these things first hand. Your memory is truly precious, and the fact that you’re sane, articulate and gifted with fine recall despite the vastness of what has happened in 90 years (extended again by the testimonies you can relate) has to be recorded.

    So please – keep telling us, many who are less than half your age, how it was. What the history books never told us. This first and – direct relation – second hand testimony. This is something that should not disappear.

    Thank you.

  15. My ancestor Col. William Ward was at Goliad, Tx and was slaughtered en masse with his troops. Not as well known as the Alamo because Jin Bowie and Davy Crocket had more recognition

  16. My ancestor Col. William Ward was at Goliad, Tx and was slaughtered en masse with his troops. Not as well known as the Alamo because Jim Bowie and Davy Crocket had more recognition

  17. Though a native born Texan, Ben, I have never heard of Goliad and its massacre.

    See that there is a memorial to Colonel James Faninn. the commander of the 450 soldiers killed. No mention of Colonel William Ward. Perhaps you could explain.

    Thanks again Glenn to your fulsome generous explanation of my work which a former employer just dismissed as that of an extremist.

    Will do what you suggest. As an old timer, I have a very good memory by exercising my brain often which is the clue for having one.

    Most people concentrate too much on just working the rest of their bodies. Don’t use the web to remember things your brain has stored somewhere.

  18. Fannin sent Lt. Col William Ward with his Georgia Battalion as well as some of Peyton Wyatt’s men–120 in all–to break the siege. Though they were successful, a squabble broke out between the two commanders as to who should give the orders, and they were unable to agree on any course of action to actually actually complete their mission. King took some of Ward’s men and went off to punish the rancheros. While they were away, Urrea arrived with 1500 men and surrounded the remainder of Ward’s party at the mission. Divided, any plans the defenders might have had devolved into utter chaos.

    Urrea captured Ward’s men and King’s as well, shot some on the spot, and marched the rest back to Fannin at Presidio La Bahia in Goliad.

  19. What were Lt. Colonel William Ward, his Georgia Battalion et al, doing in Spanish Mexico, looks like spreading the slave-owning South to the Pacific.

    Things are not going too well for them these days with the indictment of that Atlanta policeman for felony murder inducing my cousin who moved there to be with her family moving back to Connecticut, Charleston, Sough Carolina taking down its statue of arch-segregationist John Calhoun which will forceYale’s college named for him to drop its name, and the statue outside Petersburg,Virginia to my great-great-grand father John Pegram, my younger brother’s name, to come crashing down.

    Concerns about the Civil War are even heating up around here.

  20. Surprised a Texan knows so little about Texas history.

    We picked up our youngest at Ft Lewis and have been enjoying a pleasant trip down the West Coast. He starts Fall Semester at Urah State soon but we will have his company until then.

  21. I was born in El Paso when my father was stationed at Fort Bliss. Though having no role in where it happened, i slowly developed an intense dislike for what the state was noted for- e. g. – aggressive foreign policy, senseless killings, and sports over earning – I left it at age four, and have tried to avoid it ever since.

    At least Fort Lewis was named for an American explorer.

  22. Clark.
    You are doing everything in your power to get me permanently banned from Craig’s blog.
    You really are a nasty, spiteful piece of shit.

  23. Can you believe the half truths at best that former National Security Adviser John Bolton is claiming about POTUS Trump in the Oval Office in his book, and the media is going wild about ?

    Do you think that Trump reduced his pleas to the presidents of China and Russia to helping re-elect him to getting a trade deal which his farmers wanted for their feed, and their doing nothing to get Kim Jong-Un to denuclearize? And Bolton supported Biden because he was doing more in preparing the country for war by not going along with Kim’s propaganda efforts rather than really putting pressure on him by causing more quakes claimed to be nuclear tests?

    If successful, Trump would have ended the Korean War, and gotten South Korea and Japan to live with it.

    The book is just filled with well known feeble disclosures and new examples of Trump’s incredible ignorance.

  24. Hello Node, I hope you’re OK. I’ll chat with you over there, ‘cos I’d rather you weren’t over here. Well. I don’t really mind you being here if you don’t trash Squonk’s considerable effort investigating the pandemic. And I’m not that keen on being dismissed as a gullible pawn of some centuries old conspiracy either.

  25. Come on, Clark, why don’t you just admit you’re part of the Vast Jewish Conspiracy?

    Node’s such a nice guy after all. So sweet and reasonable. He’d never make any claim without having impeccable sources, and thoroughly researches everything he says with at least one youtube video to back it up.

  26. Here I am in sunny Caithness where despite there not having been an admission to Caithness General Hospital with covid-19 since the start of April, despite the mortality rate for the entire Highlands only being 2 per 10,000, schools are still closed, shops are still closed, pubs and hotels are still closed and businesses are still going bust.

    Yet I look on the BBC web site and see video of people marching arm in arm through Glasgow, which has a mortality rate of 10 per 10,000 no doubt soon to increase giving Nicola Sturgeon an excuse to extend her economic warfare against the Highlands. I read that another march is planned for tomorrow, no doubt the police will stand and watch that blatant law breaking too.

  27. Way past time for sorting out how the US Army has recognized traitors and belittled real heroes. The officers who come to mimd are Confederate Generals Braxton Bragg, Henry Binning, John Hood and Edmund Rucker, and the under recognized are Generals Douglas MacArthur, George Patton. William Sherman, and my father Brigadier Wallace Ford in some kind of fashion with my father taking the name of Fort Rucker because he contributed far more than the Birmingham colonel to his cause. And remember MacArthur won the Congressional Medal of Honor with hardly firing a shot.

  28. Hi Fred

    Shops and pubs could definitely open up North but I’m not sure about hotels. Many communities up here are not wanting an influx of tourists at this moment in time. I’m booked to go to Gairloch in Wester Ross last week in July but the community there don’t want the holiday accommodation places to open up yet. Even if they did, I’d be reluctant to go if my friends there wouldn’t fully welcome us.

    As for Glasgow, it’s scandalous that the authorities from the Scot Gov down don’t have the gumption to tackle Scotland’s ‘shame’. Having people defending war memorials, shouting racist obscenities and making Nazi salutes, with no action taken, is a disgrace – if not laughable.

    For other demonstrators, you are relying on people being reasonable but, as you mention the higher mortality rate in Glasgow, is it reasonable to expose the police to this additional risk at this time? Depends on the importance these individuals put on the issue they are demonstrating about – and I suspect the increased police presence is down to the knuckle-dragging statue defenders, not the genuine demonstrators. Both the police and Scot Gov appear reluctant to take action against them, which goes to the root of our ‘shame’.

  29. JOML.

    Everyone there was breaking the law, the Health Protection (Coronavirus) (Restrictions) (Scotland) Regulations 2020 made gatherings of more than two people in public places illegal.

    Were you suggesting the law should be different for people you like than for people you don’t like?

  30. No, Fred, I’m suggesting that the Scot Gov and Police should have taken action against the knuckle draggers over the years, so they wouldn’t have their current level of confidence to do what they like, in the knowledge the police will continue to let them off.

  31. Gatherings of more than two people only became illegal this year. It became illegal to save lives, to take strain off our NHS we were told. The sooner people in Glasgow start taking notice of it the quicker we get the R number down and the fewer businesses in the Highlands, where the R number was always low, close down.

  32. I don’t now about the pandemic starting being a conspiracy but there seems little doubt now, in Scotland at least, there is a conspiracy to prevent it ending.

  33. Fred, you are just like Node, John Goss and other assorted nuts who give conspiracy theorists a bad name

  34. Think yourself lucky you don’t live n Scotland Trow, almost half the fatalities have been elderly people in care homes, 1,896 souls. Last I looked the number who had died in prisons was around 6. Our SNP government looks after their own.

    The worst part about it is the grieving relatives who were told they could not attend the funerals, could not pay respect to their departed loved ones because it was so important people kept separate to prevent the spread of covid.

    Yet they have still allowed mass gatherings in the streets of Glasgow and Edinburgh this afternoon.

  35. Last I knew 4,251 had died in Connecticut from the virus. two-thirds of them have come from drinking treated waste water while under lockdown.

    Authorities are not admitting this because they have permitted the source to exist.

    Same happens in Scotland where they have permitted wastewater treatment plants.

  36. I don’t see how mass gatherings can be stopped without increasing the infection risk among both those gathering and the police. Furthermore, a load of infections among the police would also be a bad onward infection risk, while consequent illnesses among police would then make further policing even more problematical.

    This was always going to be a problem in a legalistic response. Law can be used to close organised and commercial gatherings such as shops, pubs, concerts, festivals and sporting events, but only leadership can address spontaneous gatherings.

  37. “I don’t see how mass gatherings can be stopped without increasing the infection risk among both those gathering and the police. ”

    Plenty of video available. Monday morning round up the organisers and speakers and charge them with endangering life.

    If the met can catch someone for urinating against a wall from a video and give them 14 days I’m sure Glasgow police could round up a few ring leaders and make examples of them.

    Unless our government wants to see the mass gatherings go ahead for some reason?

  38. Just your usual nonsense Fred. The UK, especially Scotland’s Highlands, are known for their quantities of rain.

  39. Depends. I don’t know what protests are going on in Scotland, but the Black Lives Matter protests are mostly spontaneous, so “rounding up the organisers” will probably just get more out on the streets.

    Regarding social restrictions that are inappropriate for certain areas, local organisation is needed (see my link above), and local rebellion against centralised authority. If local efforts get infection rates down faster than the national restrictions, you’ve got the perfect mandate.

    Move retail outdoors. Take the damn windows out of the buses.

  40. So I used Google to search:

    protests in scotland

    and I found BBC reports of Black Lives Matter protests in Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen and Inverness. The reports say that the protesters are maintaining distance between each other, and are implementing a rota so that they protest at different times. In Glasgow, the organisers moved the protest from the city centre to Glasgow Green. Protestors are wearing breath masks.

    I expect that the cross-infection risk is very low for these outdoor, distanced protests, and sending in police to break up the protests would very likely increase the risk of cross infection.

  41. C: ““[…] and sending in police to break up the protests would very likely increase the risk of cross infection.”

    … as would throwing the ring-leaders and sundry trouble-makers into a paddy wagon, and processing a bunch of ‘suspects’ back at the nick. Which takes a bit of time.

  42. So the legislation to restrict the spread of covid just doesn’t matter then.

    Everyone is entitled to just ignore it if it suits them.

    There have been mass protests in Glasgow Wednesday, yesterday and today and it just doesn’t matter.

    You obviously don’t think covid is that great a threat after all.

  43. T: “Just your usual nonsense Fred. The UK, especially Scotland’s Highlands, are known for their quantities of rain.

    Called out there, Fred – you’ve got to get up earlier than that to fool Trowbridge

  44. I got chucked out of Tescos for walking the wrong way against their social distancing one way system. What happened was, I started up an empty aisle the wrong way without thinking, a member of staff came and told me to follow the arrows, and indicated with her arm the adjacent aisle, which had three or four adults in it, one of them carrying a baby. So I said “this aisle’s empty” and went the wrong way and looked at the price of the mayonnaise. It was too expensive, but by the time I’d returned to where I was she’d got on the radio and called in more staff.

    I argued my case, that I’d been directed into the proximity of other people, and that the point was to avoid cross infection rather than slavishly follow rules, but like a load of sheep they just kept bleating “it’s for safety”.

    People out protesting about inequality, eh?

    Nels Abbey
    @nelsabbey
    #Covid19UK key stats

    BAME people make:

    100% of doctors who have died
    50% of nurses who have died
    35% of people in intensive care
    0% of the journalists asking the government representatives questions
    0% of the UK medical representatives answering questions

    7:50 pm · 10 Apr 2020

    Yeah, bang ’em up, bastards.

  45. “I got chucked out of Tescos for walking the wrong way against their social distancing one way system.”

    I do love starting the day with a smile on my face.

  46. Just remember that you are just as dead if you drunk treated waste water and die as the stabbing victims in Reading. Drink seltzer, soda or mineral water. and wear masks and observe social distancing, or expect the social consequences.

  47. “So the legislation to restrict the spread of covid just doesn’t matter then.”

    Just imagine all those teeny-weeny noticeboards attempting to inform inert virus particles that they’ll be breaking the law if they permit themselves to be inhaled, or transferred by contact to any human mucus membrane…

  48. You cam get the virus by breathing it in from a person who has it.

    You just don’t get the finer points of life, do you Fred”

  49. Clark.

    Do you agree with Node that the legislation to combat the spread of covid-19 is unnecessary or not?

  50. Having looked through Lt.Tom Stoppard’s 2004 account that at a regiment of the 87th Division, the 347th, had captured 40,000 German troops, not just some 10.000 as the Pentagon claimed, before the official surrender since there were two more infantry regiments in the Division, one can see what Generals Patton, Division Commander Frank Cullen and my father were up against in getting their due for ending the war in Europe.

    How about renaming those military bases named for Confederate Generals for them?

  51. So why doesJohn Bolton want Joe Biden to beat Donald Trump? Because he is willing to denuclearize North Korea no matter what.

  52. I think that social distancing is a necessity, but that the authoritarian approach is a blunt instrument poorly aimed, and it was late too.

    Move retail outdoors. Making people stay indoors makes matters worse. Introduce a work cycle of four days on ten days off for key workers. Encourage mask use. Empower the public to suggest social distancing measures to each other and to authorities. Encourage everyone to prioritise social proximity issues above slavish rule-following.

    Teach the discussion group format used in XR as a means for people brought into proximity to self organise. This means people exercising judgement collectively, but that is long overdue anyway; we have had a follow-the-rules-regardless, don’t-question-obey, tick-these-boxes mentality for far too long.

    And it would be nice to see some actual leadership from our so-called leaders, as opposed to the authoritarian approach. Prominently display the daily infection figures, nationally and locally, and reiterate that our collective goal is to force that number down as low as possible, as quickly as possible.

    Covid-19 isn’t going away, we could have years of this ahead. We need to be able to reorganise as we learn new behaviours and ways of interacting, and law alone does not get us that, and would often hinder it.

  53. Either the lockdown is unnecessary in which case the government should be investigated for needlessly ruining the economy or it is necessary in which case those protesters should be traced and charged.

  54. Why are you so down on protesters against racism, Fred? You’re not complaining about those skinhead EDL white supremacists, though.

    If they’re outdoors in decent weather, and keeping distances while – hopefully – wearing masks, the risk is pretty minimal. Even you have to admit that’s better than spending hours inside a crowded pub with little air circulation.

    As ever, your motives for promoting this complaint are doubtless less than honest.

  55. Fred, for a long time now you’ve been reducing issues to binary choices. I remember when you linked to Vaccinate Your Kids on YouTube, yet tonight you asked me; “Do you agree with Node that the legislation to combat the spread of covid-19 is unnecessary or not?” Pretty obviously, I think that without the sort of stuff Node’s been promoting there’d be less tendency to legislate; it’d be much better if people would take the sensible measures without compulsion. Now you seem more interested in the letter of the law than in reducing the spread. Ho hum…

    Western responses to covid-19 seem very sad to me, but I suppose it’s the direction we’ve been heading for decades so I shouldn’t be surprised. I hope you’re getting by OK Fred; difficult times.

  56. Since the UK is in the most critical stage in dealing with the pandemic, aren’t the British people entitled to a rigorous assessment of Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s neurological state, given his role in the process, and the fact that he almost died?

    What are state of his brain and blood? What about his behavior with colleagues and during decision-making?

    Normal behavior should not just be assumed at this time.

  57. Trow – interestingly enough, Woodrow Wilson was struck with the flu from a pandemic a century ago while negotiating terms with Germany and the allies.

    Wilson had been arguing with the British and French to go a bit easier on the Germans, because – despite having been defeated – he still wanted them as partners in the League of Nations. France in particular wanted Germany to suffer punitive sanctions.

    Wilson was disorientated for some time, and when negotiations resumed after he had supposedly recovered, offered little resistance and allowed the French to push ahead with very harsh retribution payments.

    This was a cause of seething resentment and rising nationalism in Germany in the 1920s and 30s…. the rest, as they say, is history.

  58. Great example of the problem, thanks Glenn.

    Is there any way that Johnson can be forced to undergo an examination, like the 1922 Committee endorsing one? Have colleagues mentioned any unexpected symptoms?

    It will become extremely Important when Boris opens up cinemas, theaters and exhibitions.

  59. Trowbridge, June 23, 11:15 am, well said, and I thoroughly agree. Covid-19 is known to cause neurological damage, and Johnson does not seem the whole ticket to me.

    I’ve little idea of the constitutional situation; I think the Westminster system assumes Infallibility of the Prime Minister, like the Pope. Probably the only ways out are a Vote of No Confidence which would assuredly fail, and beyond that the monarch.

  60. Is Carrie Symonds becoming the first unelected female to become Prime Minister, the role that Edith Galt Wilson assumed under American President Woodrow Wilson.

    While Edith had slowly assumed the role doing administrative duties during the President’s physical problems, Carrie is doing so during the PM’s neurological and blood difficulties.

    They both did so by taking control of the household by determining where decisions are made, who sees the chief executive, and about what matters.

    The process can only end by defeating the government.

  61. “Has anything happened over there which might have led people to believe the pandemic must be over? Made people think social distancing was no longer important?”

    I was on a US site on Sunday, Dental Tribune. Reading through the comments the US has the same mix of denialist sound bites beloved of conspiracy theorists as the UK. The same political bias too; Trump supporters insist covid-19 is no problem and everyone should carry on as normal; people pointing out that 0.26% IFR is a gross distortion get dismissed as “libtards”.

    https://in.dental-tribune.com/news/new-estimate-by-the-cdc-brings-down-the-covid-19-death-rate-to-just-0-26-as-against-whos-3-4/

    The Dental Tribune article triumphantly proclaims an infection fatality rate of just 0.26%, which is nonsense; 1.4% is the consensus, though that should fall as treatment improves. Ioannidis yet again, citing a figure from a CDC planning document which cites an undated CDC preliminary estimate which even Google can’t find.

  62. So if Americans are not capable of controlling themselves sensibly the only alternative is legislation. Legislation which applies equally to all and legislation which is enforced.

  63. The Anglo-Americans are all suffering from neurological problems when they survive the virus!

  64. Well it would be nice to be able to give police wide discretionary powers to reduce cross infection, but unfortunately policing is often prejudicial and racist, so that approach is out.

    It’d be funny if it wasn’t so tragic. So many societies have permitted themselves to become a complete mess, and they’re now entirely unfit to address covid-19.

  65. We can manage covid. You just bring in legislation and you apply the policing of it equally to the entire population.

    You seem to be finding equality under the law a difficult concept to understand.

  66. Fred: Be serious for a moment. Is any police force going to – alone in the civilised world! – suddenly clamp down on a global anti-racist movement? Sure, they’re going to ban public demonstrations for BLM and attract negative attention from around the world. Of course they will, an entirely reasonable demand you’re making there.

    Get real, FFS, and be the realist you pretend to be.

    Or you can just amuse yourself with mischief. I wonder which you’ll choose… hmm, tough one that.

  67. “Fred: Be serious for a moment. Is any police force going to – alone in the civilised world! – suddenly clamp down on a global anti-racist movement?”

    No shit for brains, I expect them to enforce the law, I expect them to act against anyone and everyone who endangers life by ignoring lockdown regulations. Irrespective of who they are.

    Which is exactly what the police in Scotland would like to be able to do but the government won’t let them.

    https://spf.org.uk/coronavirus-what-coronavirus/

    Do you understand now? I don’t know how I can make it any clearer for you short of sticking to one syllable words.

  68. “We can manage covid”

    ?

    New Zealand, Ireland, Switzerland etc… have managed covid-19. But more states certainly haven’t and aren’t, and “we” are among the latter.

  69. It’s too late.

    Policing only works by consent of the public. That consent has been fraying for decades as the social contract itself, between government and people, has become increasingly meaningless.

    The police and politicians are in an impossible position in an immediate sense; if they move to break up mass protests they increase cross-infection risk by so doing. But in the longer term we’re all in an impossible position because we are destroying our own world by continuing to play by the agreed rules.

    It’d be funny if it wasn’t so tragic.

  70. “It’s too late. ”

    If you believe that then go crawl into a hole and leave those who believe a fairer society is something worth fighting for alone.

  71. What’s the matter Fred – lockdown getting to you? Can’t take it, eh?

    But in any case, since you feel so strongly about it, what have you done – complained to the police? Written to your MP? Or is pathetically whining here all you do?

  72. I wonder what made Trump order Secret Service agents attending his rally in Tulsa to not wear masks when his supporters attending were not required to wear masks, resulting in dozens of SS agents having to self quarantine themselves for fear they had caught the virus.

    And SS agents being obliged to protect Confederate statues from damage?

  73. “And SS agents being obliged to protect Confederate statues from damage?”

    Were the agents told to just protect Confederate statues?

    Why weren’t they protecting Union statues as well?

  74. He should occupy the cell adjacent to ratfucker Roger Stone

    Update: I think this allegation in the new indictment is important:

    In September 2010, ASSANGE directed [Siggi] to hack into the computer of an individual former associated with WikiLeaks and delete chat logs containing statements of ASSANGE. When Teenager asked how that could be done, ASSANGE wrote that the former WikiLeaks associate could “be fooled into downloading a trojan,” referring to malicious software, and then asked Teenager what operating system the former-WikiLeaks associate used.

    I’ve heard allegations from the entire period of WikiLeaks’ prominence of Assange asking to spy on one or another partner or former partner, including protected entities. One relatively recent allegation I know of targeted a former WikiLeaks associate in 2016, after a break on election-related issues. I have no idea whether these allegations are credible (and I know of none who would involve law enforcement). But allegations that Assange considered — or did — spy on his allies undercuts his claim to being a journalist as much as anything else he does. It also raises questions about what WikiLeaks did with the unpublished Vault 7 files.”

    https://www.emptywheel.net/2020/06/25/the-superseding-assange-indictment-tidies-up-cfaa-charges/

  75. Fred, fighting for a fairer society?

    Karma; merely cause and effect in action. It’s sad, but it was obvious that things had to break eventually. And this is just the start; when infections in England rise again another lockdown will be ordered, and it’s unlikely to hold.

    Koyaanisqatsi – the higher you fly, the faster you fall.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OacVy8_nJi0

  76. I’ve got a question. How long do you think we humans have?

    Have you ever wondered what would happen if a single species took over an entire planet? Maybe they’re cute, maybe they’re clever, but lack a certain, shall we say, self restraint? What if they go too far? What if they go way, way, way, way, way, too far?

    How would they know…
    when it’s their time…
    to go?

  77. “I’ve got a question. How long do you think we humans have?”

    Don’t worry Clark, it isn’t our future the Cultural Marxists are trying to erase, it’s our past.

  78. Link doesn’t work, but the Anglo-American people, an ignorant, narcissistic powerful group seem committed to killing us all.

  79. Wrong as usual Fred. ‘Cultural Marxists’ want people to acknowledge the past, and understand what it really was – not mindlessly and ignorantly revere it as you appear to wish.

  80. Conservatives are literalists, lacking an agile intellect. They can only
    understand the concrete ideas surrounding their disability.

    Therefore ‘symbolism’ like a flag is actually a living, breathing entity.

    When Old Glory gets burned in protest they go ballistic like it was a zygote, another victim of the hated abortionist. The need to keep the Old South and its traditions is strong with these sub-humans and keeping their precious Confederate flag flying is part of that.

    You could call them “Cultural Confederates” because lynching black people is a proud piece of their Heritage.

  81. The meek shall inherit the Earth Clark.

    Last time we cleared the decks it was tiny mammals who came out on top but an asteroid was required for a new world. Now People are the asteroid.

  82. “Wrong as usual Fred. ‘Cultural Marxists’ want people to acknowledge the past, and understand what it really was – not mindlessly and ignorantly revere it as you appear to wish.”

    Maybe if they weren’t filming themselves rolling statues into the harbour on phones powered by batteries made with cobalt mined by 7 year old children in the Congo they might have some credibility.

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