1,587 thoughts on “General Discussion – 2

  1. Fred, let’s cut to the chase because this is boring.

    What restrictions do you think there should be, if any? What do you think would happen under those conditions, and what is your evidence for that?

    And there are two questions above that you still haven’t answered; please answer them too.

  2. Thanks Glenn for defending me again against Clark.

    He is using a sketch of me drawn by a homophobe hoping to get a like-minded fellow on The Local in Sweden to kill me, a “lover of men.” Never had dark hair, steely eyes and whiskers.

    Google used to have a photo of me, but took it down from my images some time ago, along with article by Tom Lutz in The Tatler about me challenging Nixon and his scum hit men to sue me in July 1975 if they knew and could prove that Tricky Dick et al. did not assassinateJFK, They never did though there was $300,000 in it if they could.

    His telling me to stay safe is just more gas lighting as I have to be always concerned about America’s covert government plotting to kill me. For the past seven years, they have counted my heath problems doing it for them.

  3. See that Obama/Biden earthquake Tohoku finally forced Shinze Abe to finally quit. Really feel sorry for the guy for a change,

  4. If Western Civilization was not already in serious crisis, just received a call from the town manager that the City of North Haven suffered serious damage from a tornado over night which has left it without any electricity and any access to the rest of Connecticut.

    Trees are down all over, and everything else. Looks like the area will have to do something serious about them in the near future, a most expensive proposition..

  5. “I think they should ban large gatherings such as demonstrations.”

    Eh? That seems to contradict your purported support for civil liberties, Fred.

  6. Trowbridge, no; the “Identicon” I referred to is the square pattern in dark and light green that appears above your username next to comments at this site. It was a light-hearted comment; I would never ally against you with Swedish assassins :/

  7. The last time I noticed there was no identicon about me, just empty space. Wonder why it disappeared, and then came back.

    Never had any problems with Swedish assassins. Neither did Olof Palme. Just farmed out to British alleged bodyguards like Captain Simon Hayward aka Captain James Rennie. (Pace Crister Petterson)

  8. “Eh? That seems to contradict your purported support for civil liberties, Fred.”

    No, that’s giving all the people who have been prevented from going to large gatherings such as football matches equal rights.

  9. The failure of the media to even mention the Tohoku quake and tsunami which killed15,000 Japanese as the key event in the resignation of Japanese Prime Minter Shinzo Abe is unbelievable.

    The failure to mention the Fukushima nuclear disaster caused and killed another 2,500 and seriously hurt thousands of others which the tsunami caused is unpardonable.

    To call the result a gaff which a minister did, and apologized for in resigning just compounded lies which Japanese culture demanded as just the country’s rules and not international standards of truth. Who would not be happy that it happened in some other part of the country than what the minister was responsible for?

    Did any American have to resign for saying that Katrina hurricane was a disaster?

    It all just shows the control the American police state has on what the world thinks about anything likely to be really serious.

  10. The way to support civil liberties is by levelling them down?

    Fred, it seems very noble of you to have pursued such irrational arguments to their inevitably illogical conclusions. I hope that appropriate readers have gained appropriate insights.

  11. I’m not supporting that demonstration. That’s a demonstration for covid-19 denial and all the arguments you’ve been promoting Fred.

    The plan for Extinction Rebellion’s blockade of parliament is to maintain social distancing, wear masks and use hand sanitiser.

    I’d really rather not be heading into London on Monday; I’m feeling quite miserable about it. The October 2019 actions were stressful for me, and extremely tiring. I’d rather not take action at all during this pandemic. But according to the IPCC humanity now has under ten years to halve its emissions or lock in changes that will in time bring down civilisation, including the capitalism you argue for; waiting for the pandemic to end is not an option.

  12. I’ve regularly bought tickets for football matches but I’ve never bought a ticket for a demonstration…

    Back to Covid and Glenn’s point…
    “Reference any infections known to have taken place, caused by demonstrations“

    I couldn’t find any. However, the Liverpool v Athletico game caused a significant spread.

  13. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/11995023/coronavirus-liverpool-vs-atletico-madrid-and-cheltenham-festival-led-to-spike-in-coronavirus-deaths

    – Professor Spector, who works in genetic epidemiology research, said: “Two weeks after the Cheltenham Festival and the Liverpool game against Atletico Madrid, we saw the number of people reporting COVID symptoms in the COVID Symptom Study app from those particular areas increase and both areas became key hotspots in the UK.

    – “This suggests that both events were, in part, a cause for the spread of COVID-19 in those areas.”

    The Liverpool – Atletico match was on 11 March and attended by 52,000, of which 3000 had travelled from Madrid, where such events were already suspended. Cheltenham Festival was from 16 to 19 March and attended by 251,000.

    I was working at a dance night in Bradford on 13 / 14 March. I tried to persuade the proprietor to cancel but he went ahead. I figured that if I didn’t work there that night someone else would take my place.

  14. “I’m not supporting that demonstration. That’s a demonstration for covid-19 denial and all the arguments you’ve been promoting Fred.”

    So you think demonstrations where they say things you don’t like should be banned and the ones you support should be allowed.

    There is a new book out by Alastair McIntosh called “Riders on the Storm” where he says “Climate change denial is a waste of time. But climate change alarmism is a theft of time.” We should be considering all possible eventualities but alarmists will see only one, the extinction of the human race. We should be considering every possible means to reduce greenhouse gas emissions but the alarmists will only consider one, the overthrow of the Capitalist system.

    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=nfryDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT152&lpg=PT152&dq=%22Climate+change+denial+is+a+waste+of+time.+But+climate+change+alarmism+is+a+theft+of+time.%22&source=bl&ots=P2_Xg5NGFs&sig=ACfU3U2Xmc35NDcR72VkVh4bLaf9wJ5WBg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiHjcHcjcDrAhV5REEAHfCXBUUQ6AEwAnoECAEQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Climate%20change%20denial%20is%20a%20waste%20of%20time.%20But%20climate%20change%20alarmism%20is%20a%20theft%20of%20time.%22&f=false

  15. Notting Hill Carnival was due to be held this weekend, it was cancelled due to covid but the demonstrations go ahead.

  16. “So you think demonstrations where they say things you don’t like should be banned and the ones you support should be allowed.”

    Fred, STOP telling me what I think, get your words OUT of my mouth, or I will ask Squonk to ban you, because if I swear back at your insinuations and lies Squonk will close comments. I didn’t say that any demonstrations should be banned, whereas you have. I was very clear:

    “I’m not supporting that demonstration”

    which was a direct, unambiguous reply to your previous dishonest insinuation.

    And I couldn’t care less about Alastair McIntosh’s political alarmism; my XR associates are mainly middle class professionals, not Marxists. Emissions need to halve in under a decade, or capitalism will be as doomed as civilisation itself.

  17. Earlier this week ER were forced to remove the claims that “human extinction is a real possibility” and “climate breakdown is already killing 400,000 people every year” from their film “Climate Crisis and Why We Should Panic” because their own scientists said they could not be justified.

    ER keeps making these claims because they desperately want them to be true.

  18. Was Mission 7 for which the USS Jimmy Carter received another PUC, a laser attack on the North Korean nuclear test site, claiming successfully that it was the third North Korean nuke, as Thomas Reed had suggested a newly elected President should do in The Nuclear Express, and it was damaged, having to put into Pearl Harbor for repairs in February 2013?

  19. It was a very clever ploy, one that Asians are noted for, having former President Jimmy Carter negotiating with the North Korean leader about denuclearization of the peninsula while having a special attack submarine bearing his name supply the alleged nuclear threat.

    Was Mission ! the quake off the Auckland Islands before Xmas 2004 which triggered the quake and tsunami off Ache, Indonesia which killed 250,000 people, mostly Musilms, in the war on terrorism?

  20. Well I’m in Extinction Rebellion and I don’t want them to be true. As I said above, I’d rather not have to go into London tomorrow, risking arrest and having to camp for over a week.

    However, I don’t see how human extinction within a few generations can be ruled out. At the current rate of loss the arctic polar sea ice will be gone within decades; that condition has not occurred since millions of years before humans evolved. CO2 is now higher than at any time in the past three million years; humans have only existed for 200,000. Global average temperature and atmospheric CO2 concentration are rising orders of magnitude faster than at any time in the fossil record. With such profound changes happening so much faster than anything seen naturally, it seems impossible to make firm predictions.

    I don’t know at what rate people are already dying from climate change, though Fred’s own comment above attributes above-average deaths to the recent heatwave. I also know that villages in the UK are being closed down, and people from Bangladesh to Florida are being forced inland by the rising seas. Such low-lying coastal areas – river deltas – constitute a significant portion of humanity’s fertile agricultural land.

    There’s certainly cause for alarm. That’s what alarm is for; to warn of imminent danger.

  21. The following is just the corporate media quoting mere scientific opinion, though I could link many other scientists that warn of the possibility of near-term human extinction:

    End of the world: DECADES to save humanity from extinction – scientist

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1324710/end-of-the-world-climate-change-human-extinction-MIT-global-warming

    No, I desperately wish it wasn’t so. It depresses me, robs me of hope. But I’m not surprised. I was discussing climate change with my parents in the mid 1990s, and emissions have not simply risen since then, they have risen faster every year.

  22. It’s actually quite funny that Fred accuses XR of being Marxist. The Socialist Workers Party SWP have an internal policy of infiltrating XR local groups. They’ve been trying to take over Scarborough group for over a year, without success. I had an XR meeting this afternoon; XR Chelmsford joined an action at Bishops Stortford against expansion of Stansted airport, and the SWP tried to claim it for their own by overrunning it with SWP banners.

    The SWP are very keen on trying to control XR meetings but when we all dress up in animal costumes and start carrying puppets and skeletons and have a big parade, suddenly they’re nowhere to be seen…

  23. I wonder if Fred approves of these mass protests against C-19 restrictions?

    Best you don’t answer that one Fred, you might find yourself tied up even further in your own knots.

  24. “Well I’m in Extinction Rebellion and I don’t want them to be true. As I said above, I’d rather not have to go into London tomorrow, risking arrest and having to camp for over a week.”

    Then help the environment and follow covid regulations by not going.

    Can you explain to me how vandalising historic buildings in Cambridge benefits the environment? How about blocking bridges in Bristol forcing people who need to get to the other side to extend their journeys? That benefits the environment how?

    And can you explain why when I suggest things that can genuinely help cut greenhouse emissions, like nuclear energy, you argue against?

  25. “Can you explain to me how…” women got to vote? How India got independence? How US Blacks got (nominally) equal rights?

    I don’t personally argue against nuclear power; I personally argue against: (1) Pressurised Water Reactors PWRs and their cousins ‘cos they’re prone to disasters and vulnerable to the rising oceans; (2) putting U238 in reactors for political not engineering reasons ‘cos all it does is turn into loads of waste that’s dangerous for aeons; and (3) relying on uranium 235 of which there isn’t nearly enough for a permanent solution. I also point out that nuclear makes only electricity, which accounts for only 25% of emissions, but these days takes longer to build than we have left in which to halve emissions. Nuclear power is no magic bullet; it’s barely a fraction of a solution.

    But none of this is for me to decide about. Extinction Rebellion are demanding a Citizens’ Assembly, chosen at random from the whole population and informed by experts to work out what the hell we should do, and we’re doing so because the current political systems have had thirty years but for that whole time the problems have just got worse and worse, faster and faster and faster.

    So stop griping and help us. We need everyone, and everyone is crew 😀

  26. Some actions are designed to make people think… about something other than ‘Britain’s Got Talent’ or Champions League, even if some pedantic can point, “ah but, ah but”.

    We might be able to sit around typing shite but future generations might not have the same luxury.

    Clark, actions speak louder than words, so don’t listen to people who sit on their arse and do nothing… apart from me! Lol

  27. ” “Can you explain to me how…” women got to vote? How India got independence? How US Blacks got (nominally) equal rights?”

    Women got to vote as a result of changed attitudes during WWI when due to a need for increased production at a time when manpower was needed by the army women were taken into the workplace doing jobs which had traditionally been done by men. Emancipation began in 1918 immediately after the end of the war but full emancipation was delayed due to the public outrage towards a terrorist organisation known as suffragettes, if the government had been thought to have given in to them then every crank organisation would have been planting bombs and setting fire to buildings so full emancipation didn’t come till 1928.

    Indian independence came as an indirect result of conditions linked to American loans after WWII. Basically a Britain with an economy devastated by war could not afford an empire. It had nothing to do with a man called Gandhi who’s campaign of peaceful protest had fizzled out many years previous and everything to do with a man called Hitler.

    What point was it you were you trying to make.

  28. Is Biden right thinking that any protesting marred by violence is lawlessness pure and simple. Sounds too much like Trump to me.

    What about a protest in a poor and neglected neighborhood where some provocative agent, not you or any of your associates, throws a brick through a shop window, and panic looting. chaos and fire results.

    Sounds too much like my Senator Chris Murphy talking about the violence in all of us. I and none of my relatives or friends have violence streaks within us.

    Sounds more like an apology for state-sponsored violence which should be investigated and prosecuted.

    Can think of all kinds of protests being marred by provocation.

  29. Can anything be better evidence of what a mob the undisciplined group is, Joe Kennedy III seeking to unseat fellow Democrat Senator Ed Markey – which could end Markey’s career, see Joe lose his seat in the House in any case, and it falling to the Republican opponent.

  30. “Is Biden right thinking that any protesting marred by violence is lawlessness pure and simple. Sounds too much like Trump to me.”

    I think it’s important to treat all protesters equally Trow. If the organisers of one protest were to be arrested and fined £10,000 and the organisers of a much bigger protest not fined at all it would show extraordinary bias on the part of the authorities.

  31. Should there be no difference in the treatment of a poor, impoverished sole who converts a peaceful protest into mayhem, and a hired thug who makes it into a riot?

  32. Thanks goodness that Senator Ed Markey soundly defeated upstart Joe Kennedy, III in the Mass. primary who believes that the Kennedy family can pull off miracles every time.

  33. Wonder if Trump is commencing his campaign in unexpected Wilmington, North Carolina, a red state as a citadel of winning WWII so he can conclude it in Wilmington Delaware, claiming the needless lives commemorated there in the Vietnam War, highlighted by the unsolved murder in a blue state of John P. Wheeler, who worked so tirelessly for the official memorial in Washington.

  34. Excellent point there, Fred. We shouldn’t protest injustice and infringements of human rights. Just sit down, shut up, and wait for The Man to grant them to us.

  35. You trolling again there Fred, or is your case that the Sun is now your favoured source of information. Desperate stuff indeed.

  36. Reopening schools looks like a very bad move:

    https://www.endcoronavirus.org/schools

    Q: How do we safely reopen schools?
    A: Eliminate community transmission.

    When COVID-19 is no longer being transmitted within a community, schools can begin to reopen safely. It is not safe to reopen schools for in-person schooling while community transmission is still present. In-person schooling increases the risk of rapidly escalating case numbers throughout the community, placing health and lives at risk and possibly requiring further lockdowns to contain transmission. Before a community can safely begin to reopen schools (primary, secondary and higher education), they must bring new cases to zero and have safeguards in place to keep cases at zero.”

  37. Nothing can match the ongoing Western crusade against Russia’s Vladimir Putin, its most popular President, leaving only covert dirty tricks to try and unseat him.

    The use of what was left over from the defunct USSR 30 years ago, especially the illicit transfer of its secrets like poison gas which the Yeltsin administration turned a blind eye on, and the sinking of the Estonia ferry was intended to stop, the West, especially the UK, has had all kinds of secret weapons and former Soviet officials to play around with.

    It all started with former US spy Vladimir Skripal and his niece Yulia being poisoned by apparently novichok in Salisbury and has continued from there with Akexey Navalny, an ineffectve critic of Putin. being poisoned by some unknown party in Russia, and has been added to by all kinds of critics like Ivan Safronov being thrown out of an unlikely Moscow window.

    The trouble with all these false claims is that the have unexpected consequences like The real Skripals never being seen again, and Safronov’s son becoming a US spy who Russia discovered before he could do treasonable acts there.

    Such claims about Navalny become most convenient but most dubious when UK Prime Minister who calls Russian behavior most outrageous which it must explain when he needs support for his failures abroad and at home, and German Chancellor Angela Merkel is always subject to manipulation because of her history as a communist spy ANITA.

  38. Please unknown party who keeps manipulating what I try to write and correct, stop it.

    It makes me only think that I live in a total police state.

  39. The disappearance and death, apparently by suicide, of diplomate Richard Morris, the former British Ambassador to Nepal, seems to be based upon his objections to the West adopting a coordinated military, diplomatic and economic response to China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) by President Xi to make the Silk Road a more important asset in the development of the whole area for more important purposes than ones of sovereignty, borders and world standing.

    Morris was expected to serve this purpose diplomatically by getting Fiji- a most backward, unorganized, gigantic area of over 300 islands, many of them with no inhabitants, as its High Commissioner, a grand sounding title with no power or influence and little more duties than taking notes.

    No wonder Morris concluded this meant his career was over, and decided to kill himself when it started occurring. His authorities and relevant police knew this to be the case, but made no attempt to stop it.

    Morris just went on a usual bike ride in the Hampshire hills, and never returned, though to the ignorant he could have been ambushed, in mortal danger, or suffered an incapacitating injury.

    Actually, those responsible did next to nothing to find him, even encouraging residents in the area to do nothing about his whereabouts but inspect their own property to see if he was in a shed or another building. They knew that nothing had happened to him by others, like when MI6 didn’t check why missing code breaker Gareth Williams hadn’t showed up for work for a week.

    After nearly four months, Morris was finally found and understandably by no one identified.

    This is governance befitting Fiji itself, not an alleged world power.

  40. The performance of the British government and the police, especially the suicide watchers, in the disappearance and death of senior diplomat Richard Morris is truly unbelievable.

    Nothing is said about a Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts (FRSA)why he had gone missing, misreported as last seen going biking when he was jogging when it could easily be determined, calling on motorists to look for evidence they may have about where he ended up, jogging routes especially in forests can quickly be established, a missing dead person cannot be assumed to have to have died a natural death with no possibility of criminal involvement, etc.

    The terrible performance by the police, particularly the Hampshire Constabulary, is matched by the Foreign Office which was spending the four month disappearance doing the disabled Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s business rather than its own, like Foreign Minister Dominic Raab immediately imposing a quarantine on British tourists going to Spain when its coronavirus cases spiked. Raab has not said anything about Morris’s disappearance and death, only urging department member to say what a fine fellow he was to work with.

    Anyone working for HMG should be most alert about what may happen to them.

  41. The American presidential race is narrowing down to wether the Russophobe Joe Biden or the secret government opponent Donald Trump wins. it will apparently be resolved with a showdown in Wilmington, Delaware in late October? Is Russian President Putin a dominant leader or just another fumbler like ours?

  42. Of course, Biden in refuting Trump’s claim that his son Beau volunteering to go to Iraq where he won the Bronze Star was a “sucker” going there, didn’t say that he, the Delaware Attorney General, was tired of being told by the Vice President what to do, especially over the covert murder John P.Wheeler, III.

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